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From: Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@firmix.at>
To: James Porter <jameslporter@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Binary Drivers
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:51:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1166435491.13376.6.camel@tara.firmix.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <loom.20061215T220806-362@post.gmane.org>

On Fri, 2006-12-15 at 21:20 +0000, James Porter wrote:
> I think some kernel developers take to much responsibility, is there a bug in a
> binary driver? Send it upstream and explain to the user that it's a closed

Plaese name them. AFAICS if there is a response, it is similar to "your
kernel is tainted, please report the report elsewhere".

> source driver and is up to said company to fix it.
> 
> For what it's worth, I don't see any problem with binary drivers from hardware
> manufacturers. 

You are probably not looking at the right places.

> Just because nvidia makes a closed source driver doesn't mean that we can't also

^^
Please send patches.

> create an open source driver(limited functionality, reverse engineered,
> etc.,etc.). I firmly believe that the choice should be up to the user and/or
> distro. I'm not a kernel dev, I don't know c...but I understand the concepts and
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^
Then become one if you are serious with the "we" above.

> I should have the right to do what I want with this GPL code. Restricting me

Then you should discuss this with law makers, politicians and the
various pressure groups about copyright and/or authors rights and you
surely *must* deal beforehand with the patent plague since this is even
more restricting in any sense than author rights ever was (let alone
copyright).
And for such  political debate LKML is probably not a good place.

> only frustrates me. Should the default be open source, definitely; should binary
> drivers be blocked from running on a linux kernel...certainly not.

They are not blocked - it is up to the users to decide and live with the
consequences.

[...]
> only to have the rug pulled out from under you. This is what makes the BSDs so
> attractive.

Why are you then here?

	Bernd
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-18  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-15 21:20 James Porter
2006-12-15 21:59 ` Alan
2006-12-15 22:00   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:31   ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-12-15 22:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-12-16  1:57   ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-16 18:03     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 16:33       ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 17:43         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-21 19:10           ` Tomas Carnecky
     [not found]             ` <f0e2c5070612211120wa6e3402p2ffb6e1d579a485a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-21 19:42               ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-21 22:36                 ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-21 20:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 20:18         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 22:02           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 20:50         ` David Schwartz
2006-12-21 20:58           ` David Lang
2006-12-21 21:20           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-21 22:12           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 23:20             ` Martin Mares
2006-12-22  0:38             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22  9:47           ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-23  1:04           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-16  3:56   ` jdow
2006-12-16  4:59     ` Dave Airlie
2006-12-16  8:12     ` Horses and donkeys [Re: Binary Drivers] Pavel Machek
2006-12-16 18:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-17 11:44   ` Binary Drivers Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-16  8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-16  9:07 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-12-17 12:17   ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-12-18 21:34   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Hannu Savolainen
2006-12-19  0:10     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 22:06     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-12-21  0:38       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-12-21 10:17         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-21 18:16       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 11:59         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-24  6:35           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-31 12:41           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-31 13:03             ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-31 17:09               ` Alan
2007-01-02  2:42                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  4:04               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  5:06                 ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02  6:30                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02  9:40                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 11:26                     ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02 12:06                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 19:23                         ` Horst H. von Brand
2007-01-03  8:59                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 12:50                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-02 13:22                         ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-01-02 15:15                           ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 15:18                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-01-02 16:33                               ` James Simmons
2007-01-02 17:13                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02 20:20                               ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 19:30                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-01-02 20:01                               ` OT Coffee (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02 20:17                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-01-02 23:01                                   ` David Schwartz
2007-01-03  5:55                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-04  0:50                                       ` David Schwartz
2007-01-02 21:11                             ` Neil Brown
2007-01-02 22:26                               ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-02 19:04                           ` [OT] Hot coffee (was: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers)) Steven Rostedt
2007-01-02 10:40                   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Alan
2006-12-18  9:51 ` Bernd Petrovitsch [this message]
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     [not found] ` <7sE1N-2Y4-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <7t39Q-Ru-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-12-21 12:33     ` Binary Drivers Nikolaos D. Bougalis
2006-12-21 21:15 Niklas Steinkamp
2006-12-22 19:22 ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-22 22:00   ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-22 22:14     ` Scott Preece
2006-12-23  7:19       ` David Schwartz
2006-12-23 23:11         ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-24  6:46         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-24 13:31           ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-24 17:33           ` David Schwartz
2006-12-24 19:27             ` James C Georgas
2006-12-24 21:05               ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-25  0:09                 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-24 20:20             ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-25  0:30               ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-26  0:20               ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26  2:49                 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-26  6:31                   ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 19:20                     ` Scott Preece
2006-12-26 19:53                       ` David Schwartz
2006-12-27  1:20                         ` Scott Preece
2006-12-28 13:32       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <fa.a8+7qGNMZNO6YbgTojLj7poBcEU@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.whH2sDigxYlZmzC0pHJ6ew9w3Is@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.YLpcIfSTbYXcChK98VmCgG/OEAI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.m5y0sm7/G8Fnz1bRfMDgwNw+YI4@ifi.uio.no>
2006-12-22 21:27       ` Robert Hancock
2006-12-22 23:15         ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis
2006-12-26 11:13 Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 11:33 ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-26 14:04   ` Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 11:20 Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 13:28 ` James C Georgas
2006-12-26 13:57   ` Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 16:37   ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-28  8:59   ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-28  9:07     ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-28 22:32     ` David Schwartz
2006-12-28 22:34       ` David Lang
2006-12-26 19:12 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 23:37   ` Horst H. von Brand
     [not found] <28wj.2xb.21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <7wu47-3dV-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-12-27 11:55   ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis

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