From: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: Binary Drivers
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:50:00 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKGEGDAIAC.davids@webmaster.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7b69d1470612210833k79c93617nba96dbc717113723@mail.gmail.com>
> You say "It's rude to not play by our rules". They say "It's rude of
> you to expect us to change our business model to support your niche
> market differently from the way we support everyone else." Neither is
> wrong...
Honestly, I think it *is* wrong to sell someone a physical product and then
not tell them how to make it work. If you're not actually selling them the
physical product but selling them a way to get a particular thing done, then
don't represent that you're selling them physical product because that would
presumably include the right to use it any way they wanted provided it was
lawful.
How would you feel if you bought a car and then discovered that the
manufacturer had welded the hood shut? How many people still do their own
oil changes anyway?
If you sell a physical product, you should also include the information
necessary to make that physical product *work*. If you don't, you aren't
actually selling the physical product, that is, the person is buying a right
to use that physical product some particular way and not the product itself.
The law may come around on this issue. It has definitely done so on
companies that claim to be selling you cellphones but then later claim that
you need to pay them additional money if you want the access code to unlock
it and make it work with another carrier. If you own a physical phone, it
should come with the right to use it with any carrier it can be made to work
with, and a company with no ownership interest in the phone has no right to
withhold the information needed to make it do that so as to force you to use
their service.
The same applies when you buy a graphics card and don't want to use it with
the manufacturer's drivers. If it's *your* graphics card, the manufacturer
has no legitimate interest in forcing you to use their drivers by
withholding information about what *you* bought.
DS
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Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-15 21:20 James Porter
2006-12-15 21:59 ` Alan
2006-12-15 22:00 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:31 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-12-15 22:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-12-16 1:57 ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-16 18:03 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 16:33 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 17:43 ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-21 19:10 ` Tomas Carnecky
[not found] ` <f0e2c5070612211120wa6e3402p2ffb6e1d579a485a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-21 19:42 ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-21 22:36 ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-21 20:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 20:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 22:02 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 20:50 ` David Schwartz [this message]
2006-12-21 20:58 ` David Lang
2006-12-21 21:20 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-21 22:12 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 23:20 ` Martin Mares
2006-12-22 0:38 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 9:47 ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-23 1:04 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-16 3:56 ` jdow
2006-12-16 4:59 ` Dave Airlie
2006-12-16 8:12 ` Horses and donkeys [Re: Binary Drivers] Pavel Machek
2006-12-16 18:05 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-17 11:44 ` Binary Drivers Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-16 8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-16 9:07 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-12-17 12:17 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-12-18 21:34 ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Hannu Savolainen
2006-12-19 0:10 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 22:06 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-12-21 0:38 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-12-21 10:17 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-21 18:16 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 11:59 ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-24 6:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-31 12:41 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-31 13:03 ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-31 17:09 ` Alan
2007-01-02 2:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02 4:04 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02 5:06 ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 6:30 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02 9:40 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 11:26 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02 12:06 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 19:23 ` Horst H. von Brand
2007-01-03 8:59 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 12:50 ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-02 13:22 ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-01-02 15:15 ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 15:18 ` Jens Axboe
2007-01-02 16:33 ` James Simmons
2007-01-02 17:13 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02 20:20 ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 19:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-01-02 20:01 ` OT Coffee (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02 20:17 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-01-02 23:01 ` David Schwartz
2007-01-03 5:55 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-04 0:50 ` David Schwartz
2007-01-02 21:11 ` Neil Brown
2007-01-02 22:26 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-02 19:04 ` [OT] Hot coffee (was: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers)) Steven Rostedt
2007-01-02 10:40 ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Alan
2006-12-18 9:51 ` Binary Drivers Bernd Petrovitsch
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2006-12-21 12:33 ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis
2006-12-21 21:15 Niklas Steinkamp
2006-12-22 19:22 ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-22 22:00 ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-22 22:14 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-23 7:19 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-23 23:11 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-24 6:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-24 13:31 ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-24 17:33 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-24 19:27 ` James C Georgas
2006-12-24 21:05 ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-25 0:09 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-24 20:20 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-25 0:30 ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-26 0:20 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 2:49 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-26 6:31 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 19:20 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-26 19:53 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-27 1:20 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-28 13:32 ` Pavel Machek
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2006-12-22 21:27 ` Robert Hancock
2006-12-22 23:15 ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis
2006-12-26 11:13 Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 11:33 ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-26 14:04 ` Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 11:20 Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 13:28 ` James C Georgas
2006-12-26 13:57 ` Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 16:37 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-28 8:59 ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-28 9:07 ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-28 22:32 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-28 22:34 ` David Lang
2006-12-26 19:12 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 23:37 ` Horst H. von Brand
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[not found] ` <7wu47-3dV-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-12-27 11:55 ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis
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