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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Scott Preece" <sepreece@gmail.com>
Cc: "Tomas Carnecky" <tom@dbservice.com>,
	"Alexey Dobriyan" <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	"James Porter" <jameslporter@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Binary Drivers
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:18:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1hcvpngtj.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7b69d1470612210833k79c93617nba96dbc717113723@mail.gmail.com> (Scott Preece's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:33:10 -0600")

"Scott Preece" <sepreece@gmail.com> writes:

> Which is more rude:
> (a) "Thank you for requesting a driver to support our hardware on
> Linux. Unfortunately, we don't have time either to provide such a
> driver or write the documentation that would allow you do so. The
> Linux market is not big enough to justify the work, and as a result we
> cannot offer you any support.", or
>
> (b) "Thank you for requesting a driver to support our hardware on
> Linux. Unfortunately, we don't have time either to provide such a
> driver or write the documentation that would allow you do so. The
> Linux market is not big enough to justify the legal and technical
> expense involved. However, we can provide you with this binary driver
> that we believe will allow you to use the hardware in your system,
> just as we provide binary drivers for other hardware platforms."

But as it happens that driver does not work for a large segment
percentage of linux users who potentially could place the card in
their system.  Did that driver support all 23 architectures?

> You say "It's rude to not play by our rules". They say "It's rude of
> you to expect us to change our business model to support your niche
> market differently from the way we support everyone else." Neither is
> wrong...

Every market is different, and you have to different things in
different markets.  It is close to incompetent not to acknowledge
the fact that rules are different in different markets and different
places.  That is one of the reasons why people try to harmonize laws
so there is not too much of this going on.

Usually it is also the case that binary vs source release does nothing
to a hardware manufacturers business model they sell hardware after
all, and usually having a helping hand in writing the necessary
software and making it work (the source release) is a plus for the
hardware manufacturer.

The difference is that we don't expect the hardware manufactures to do
anything we only hope they will support linux.  Once they support
linux we do expect they will play well with others and if they don't
then it is rude.

Please none of this amoral Neither is wrong crap.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-21 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-15 21:20 James Porter
2006-12-15 21:59 ` Alan
2006-12-15 22:00   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:31   ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-12-15 22:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-12-16  1:57   ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-16 18:03     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 16:33       ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 17:43         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-21 19:10           ` Tomas Carnecky
     [not found]             ` <f0e2c5070612211120wa6e3402p2ffb6e1d579a485a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-21 19:42               ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-21 22:36                 ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-21 20:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 20:18         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2006-12-21 22:02           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 20:50         ` David Schwartz
2006-12-21 20:58           ` David Lang
2006-12-21 21:20           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-21 22:12           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 23:20             ` Martin Mares
2006-12-22  0:38             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22  9:47           ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-23  1:04           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-16  3:56   ` jdow
2006-12-16  4:59     ` Dave Airlie
2006-12-16  8:12     ` Horses and donkeys [Re: Binary Drivers] Pavel Machek
2006-12-16 18:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-17 11:44   ` Binary Drivers Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-16  8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-16  9:07 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-12-17 12:17   ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-12-18 21:34   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Hannu Savolainen
2006-12-19  0:10     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 22:06     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-12-21  0:38       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-12-21 10:17         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-21 18:16       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 11:59         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-24  6:35           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-31 12:41           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-31 13:03             ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-31 17:09               ` Alan
2007-01-02  2:42                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  4:04               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  5:06                 ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02  6:30                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02  9:40                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 11:26                     ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02 12:06                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 19:23                         ` Horst H. von Brand
2007-01-03  8:59                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 12:50                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-02 13:22                         ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-01-02 15:15                           ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 15:18                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-01-02 16:33                               ` James Simmons
2007-01-02 17:13                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02 20:20                               ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 19:30                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-01-02 20:01                               ` OT Coffee (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02 20:17                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-01-02 23:01                                   ` David Schwartz
2007-01-03  5:55                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-04  0:50                                       ` David Schwartz
2007-01-02 21:11                             ` Neil Brown
2007-01-02 22:26                               ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-02 19:04                           ` [OT] Hot coffee (was: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers)) Steven Rostedt
2007-01-02 10:40                   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Alan
2006-12-18  9:51 ` Binary Drivers Bernd Petrovitsch
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     [not found] ` <7sE1N-2Y4-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <7t39Q-Ru-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-12-21 12:33     ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis
2006-12-21 21:15 Niklas Steinkamp
2006-12-22 19:22 ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-22 22:00   ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-22 22:14     ` Scott Preece
2006-12-23  7:19       ` David Schwartz
2006-12-23 23:11         ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-24  6:46         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-24 13:31           ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-24 17:33           ` David Schwartz
2006-12-24 19:27             ` James C Georgas
2006-12-24 21:05               ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-25  0:09                 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-24 20:20             ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-25  0:30               ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-26  0:20               ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26  2:49                 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-26  6:31                   ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 19:20                     ` Scott Preece
2006-12-26 19:53                       ` David Schwartz
2006-12-27  1:20                         ` Scott Preece
2006-12-28 13:32       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] <fa.a8+7qGNMZNO6YbgTojLj7poBcEU@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.whH2sDigxYlZmzC0pHJ6ew9w3Is@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.YLpcIfSTbYXcChK98VmCgG/OEAI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.m5y0sm7/G8Fnz1bRfMDgwNw+YI4@ifi.uio.no>
2006-12-22 21:27       ` Robert Hancock
2006-12-22 23:15         ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis
2006-12-26 11:13 Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 11:33 ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-26 14:04   ` Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 11:20 Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 13:28 ` James C Georgas
2006-12-26 13:57   ` Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 16:37   ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-28  8:59   ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-28  9:07     ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-28 22:32     ` David Schwartz
2006-12-28 22:34       ` David Lang
2006-12-26 19:12 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 23:37   ` Horst H. von Brand
     [not found] <28wj.2xb.21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <7wu47-3dV-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-12-27 11:55   ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis

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