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From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Dietmar Eggemann" <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
	Jianyong Wu <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
	Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	Tingyin Duan <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
	Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>, Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Tim Chen" <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/19] sched/fair: Introduce a static key to enable cache aware only for multi LLCs
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 01:01:05 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3d7b6b2c-7b48-4bd5-87bf-39f4c72fa741@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6007f50a-7abd-46c8-8934-f1b09df57479@linux.ibm.com>

On 10/16/2025 12:36 AM, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/15/25 9:55 PM, Chen, Yu C wrote:
>> On 10/15/2025 7:04 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2025 at 11:24:41AM -0700, Tim Chen wrote:
>>>> From: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
>>>>
>>>> Enable cache-aware load balancing only if at least 1 NUMA node has
>>>> more than one LLC.
>>>>
>>>> Suggested-by: Libo Chen <libo.chen@oracle.com>
>>>> Suggested-by: Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>   kernel/sched/fair.c     | 15 ++++++++++++---
>>>>   kernel/sched/sched.h    |  1 +
>>>>   kernel/sched/topology.c | 14 ++++++++++++--
>>>>   3 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>> index cd080468ddc9..3d643449c48c 100644
>>>> --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>> +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>> @@ -1208,6 +1208,14 @@ static s64 update_se(struct rq *rq, struct 
>>>> sched_entity *se)
>>>>   __read_mostly unsigned int llc_overload_pct       = 50;
>>>>   __read_mostly unsigned int llc_imb_pct            = 20;
>>>> +DEFINE_STATIC_KEY_FALSE(sched_cache_allowed);
>>>> +
>>>> +static inline bool sched_cache_enabled(void)
>>>> +{
>>>> +    return sched_feat(SCHED_CACHE) &&
>>>> +        static_branch_likely(&sched_cache_allowed);
>>>> +}
>>>
>>> Urgh; do we really need _2_ static keys stacked for this? I'm thinking
>>> one should be well enough.
>>
>> SCHED_CACHE allows user space to turn on/off the feature at runtime,
>> while sched_cache_allow is a hardware capability. This capability is
> 
> isn't it possible use only static_branch_likely(&sched_cache_allowed) at 
> runtime?
> 
> Enable that key only if FEAT is set. Disable when unset.
> That way you could use only one static branch at runtime.
> 

Oh, do you mean only using sched_cache_allowed in sched_cache_enabled()?
I misunderstood that Peter suggested introducing only one key. I did
not quite catch up,  do you mean, we should monitor the switch of FEAT
and modify sched_cache_allowed when needed, and the OS only queries
the sched_cache_allowed  at runtime? I'll take a deeper look tomorrow.

Oh, do you mean only using sched_cache_allowed in sched_cache_enabled()?
I misunderstood that Peter suggested introducing only one key. But I didn't
quite catch up - do you mean we should monitor the switch of FEAT, modify
sched_cache_allowed when needed, and that the OS only queries 
sched_cache_allowed
at runtime?

> Also, I am not sure if the FEATURE should be true by default. I know it 
> maybe unused but
> IMO it should be true by default only when its proven there are no 
> regression.

Yes we tried very hard to not bring regressions during the past.

> One should be aware of their topology to enable it.
>>   disabled if there are no multiple LLCs within one node. I’m not sure
>> if using one key could support the above two scenarios.
>> It is possible to have multiple NUMA nodes. One node may have multiple 
>> LLC while other
> one may have only 1 LLC. what happens in that case?
> 

In this case, it will be enabled, and the cache-aware load balancing
will occur on that node with multiple LLCs. (Only a domain with
SD_SHARE_LLC set, and whose parent domain does not have SD_SHARE_LLC
set, will initiate the cache-aware load balancing.)


thanks,
Chenyu

> I am yet to go through the series(hopefully this week). Maybe its 
> handled already.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-15 17:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-11 18:24 [PATCH 00/19] Cache Aware Scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 01/19] sched/fair: Add infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-14 19:12   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-15  4:54     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 19:32       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  3:11         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:07       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-23  7:26   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-27  4:47   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 13:35     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 02/19] sched/fair: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2025-10-15 10:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:27     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27  5:01   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 14:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28  2:50       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 03/19] sched/fair: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 04/19] sched/fair: Introduce a static key to enable cache aware only for multi LLCs Tim Chen
2025-10-15 11:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:25     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 16:36       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-15 17:01         ` Chen, Yu C [this message]
2025-10-16  7:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-17  2:08             ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-16  7:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27  5:42   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 12:56     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27 23:36       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29 12:36         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28  2:46       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 05/19] sched/fair: Add LLC index mapping for CPUs Tim Chen
2025-10-15 11:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:12     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 06/19] sched/fair: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2025-10-14  5:16   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 11:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16  3:13       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-17  4:50       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-20  9:41         ` Vern Hao
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 07/19] sched/fair: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:03     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  7:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 20:06         ` Tim Chen
2025-10-27  6:04   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 15:15     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28 15:46       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29  4:32         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29 12:48           ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29  4:00       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 17:06     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 08/19] sched/fair: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:41     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  7:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-21  8:28       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-23  6:07         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 09/19] sched/fair: Count tasks prefering each LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:42     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:43     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-27  8:33   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 23:19     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 10/19] sched/fair: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-15  7:23   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-15 15:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 21:28     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15 15:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:03     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-24  9:32   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-27  2:00     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29  9:51       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-29 13:19         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27  6:29   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 12:11     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 11/19] sched/fair: Identify busiest sched_group for LLC-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-15 15:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 21:18     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 12/19] sched/fair: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-27  9:04   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 22:59     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 13/19] sched/fair: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 14/19] sched/fair: Consider LLC preference when selecting tasks for load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 15/19] sched/fair: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2025-10-28  6:02   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 11:58     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28 15:30       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29  4:15         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29  3:54       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29 14:23         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29 21:09         ` Tim Chen
2025-10-30  4:19           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-30 20:07             ` Tim Chen
2025-10-31  3:32               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-31 15:17                 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-11-03 21:41                   ` Tim Chen
2025-11-03 22:07                 ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 16/19] sched/fair: Exclude processes with many threads from cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-23  7:22   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 17/19] sched/fair: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2025-10-22 17:21   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-23  6:55     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 18/19] sched/fair: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2025-10-15  6:57   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-16  4:44     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 19/19] sched/fair: Add user control to adjust the tolerance of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-29  8:07   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-29 12:54     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-14 12:13 ` [PATCH 00/19] Cache Aware Scheduling Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-14 21:48   ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15  5:38     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 18:26       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-16  4:57         ` Chen, Yu C

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