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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli	 <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	 Valentin Schneider	 <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jianyong Wu	 <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
	Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	Tingyin Duan	 <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
	Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Len Brown	 <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>, Zhao Liu	 <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Adam Li	 <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/19] sched/fair: Introduce a static key to enable cache aware only for multi LLCs
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2025 16:36:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e0f2c144f6dd974a816784db676779c1a1a3c5ab.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ebc82974-7fe5-4e9a-8dae-7964cfdff471@intel.com>

On Mon, 2025-10-27 at 20:56 +0800, Chen, Yu C wrote:
> Hi Prateek,
> 
> On 10/27/2025 1:42 PM, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> > Hello Tim,
> > 
> > On 10/11/2025 11:54 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
> > > @@ -2530,10 +2531,12 @@ build_sched_domains(const struct cpumask *cpu_map, struct sched_domain_attr *att
> > >   				 * between LLCs and memory channels.
> > >   				 */
> > >   				nr_llcs = sd->span_weight / child->span_weight;
> > > -				if (nr_llcs == 1)
> > > +				if (nr_llcs == 1) {
> > >   					imb = sd->span_weight >> 3;
> > > -				else
> > > +				} else {
> > >   					imb = nr_llcs;
> > > +					has_multi_llcs = true;
> > 
> > One caution: this will not hold if all the CPUs aren't online during boot.
> > One case I can think of is when the kernel is booted with "maxcpus" cmdline
> > and CPUs are hotplugged later.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I don't think we even have the raw topology data from the
> > arch/ side under such scenario to accurately make a call if the system
> > contains single or multiple LLC :(
> > 
> > I'm not sure if it is feasible but assuming the task_work() cannot run if
> > &sched_cache_allowed is false, can the fist instance of the task work for
> > sched_cache do the necessary setup?
> > 
> 
> build_sched_domains() might get invoked to rebuild the corresponding sched
> domains during CPU hotplug via cpuset subsystem. So if the CPU gets online
> after bootup, we still have the chance to detect multiple LLCs I suppose?

The case Pratek brought up of adding CPUs and enabling SCHED_CACHE 
should be covered. 

The trickier case is if we disable SCHED_CACHE when CPUs are
offlined and multi_cpus becomes false.  We'll need to clear out rq->nr_pref_llcs
data and tasks' preferred LLC would need to be cleared.  Or else the accounting
could be skewed we bring CPU online later and again re-enable SCHED_CACHE.
So far we haven't done that when we disable SCHED_CACHE from an enabled state.

Tim

> 
> I did a check on my VM:
> root@ubuntu:/sys/devices/system/cpu# lscpu
> CPU(s):                      32
>    On-line CPU(s) list:       0-7
> root@ubuntu:/sys/devices/system/cpu# echo 1 > cpu31/online
> Tracing ... Hit Ctrl-C to end.
> ^C
> 
> @build_sched_domains[
>      build_sched_domains+5
>      partition_sched_domains+613
>      cpuset_update_active_cpus+838
>      sched_cpu_activate+272
>      cpuhp_invoke_callback+340
>      cpuhp_thread_fun+139
>      smpboot_thread_fn+238
>      kthread+249
>      ret_from_fork+193
>      ret_from_fork_asm+26
> ]: 1
> 
> thanks,
> Chenyu

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-27 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-11 18:24 [PATCH 00/19] Cache Aware Scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 01/19] sched/fair: Add infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-14 19:12   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-15  4:54     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 19:32       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  3:11         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:07       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-23  7:26   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-27  4:47   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 13:35     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 02/19] sched/fair: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2025-10-15 10:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:27     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27  5:01   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 14:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28  2:50       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 03/19] sched/fair: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 04/19] sched/fair: Introduce a static key to enable cache aware only for multi LLCs Tim Chen
2025-10-15 11:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:25     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 16:36       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-15 17:01         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-16  7:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-17  2:08             ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-16  7:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27  5:42   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 12:56     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27 23:36       ` Tim Chen [this message]
2025-10-29 12:36         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28  2:46       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 05/19] sched/fair: Add LLC index mapping for CPUs Tim Chen
2025-10-15 11:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:12     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 06/19] sched/fair: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2025-10-14  5:16   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 11:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16  3:13       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-17  4:50       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-20  9:41         ` Vern Hao
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 07/19] sched/fair: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:03     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  7:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 20:06         ` Tim Chen
2025-10-27  6:04   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 15:15     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28 15:46       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29  4:32         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29 12:48           ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29  4:00       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 17:06     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 08/19] sched/fair: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:41     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  7:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-21  8:28       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-23  6:07         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 09/19] sched/fair: Count tasks prefering each LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:42     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:43     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-27  8:33   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 23:19     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 10/19] sched/fair: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-15  7:23   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-15 15:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 21:28     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15 15:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:03     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-24  9:32   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-27  2:00     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29  9:51       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-29 13:19         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27  6:29   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 12:11     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 11/19] sched/fair: Identify busiest sched_group for LLC-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-15 15:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 21:18     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 12/19] sched/fair: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-27  9:04   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 22:59     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 13/19] sched/fair: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 14/19] sched/fair: Consider LLC preference when selecting tasks for load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 15/19] sched/fair: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2025-10-28  6:02   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 11:58     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28 15:30       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29  4:15         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29  3:54       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29 14:23         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29 21:09         ` Tim Chen
2025-10-30  4:19           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-30 20:07             ` Tim Chen
2025-10-31  3:32               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-31 15:17                 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-11-03 21:41                   ` Tim Chen
2025-11-03 22:07                 ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 16/19] sched/fair: Exclude processes with many threads from cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-23  7:22   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 17/19] sched/fair: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2025-10-22 17:21   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-23  6:55     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 18/19] sched/fair: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2025-10-15  6:57   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-16  4:44     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 19/19] sched/fair: Add user control to adjust the tolerance of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-29  8:07   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-29 12:54     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-14 12:13 ` [PATCH 00/19] Cache Aware Scheduling Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-14 21:48   ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15  5:38     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 18:26       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-16  4:57         ` Chen, Yu C

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