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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
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	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"Madadi Vineeth Reddy" <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
	"Shrikanth Hegde" <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jianyong Wu <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
	Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	Tingyin Duan <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
	"Vern Hao" <vernhao@tencent.com>, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>, Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/19] sched/fair: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 10:02:01 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <522c6c09-9d07-4417-b9d3-925bd2224627@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <094de5bd4f1b5cd4552ae024f9254df26c9e47be.camel@linux.intel.com>

Hello Tim,

On 10/28/2025 9:16 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
> On Tue, 2025-10-28 at 23:15 +0800, Chen, Yu C wrote:
>> On 10/27/2025 2:04 PM, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
>>> Hello Tim,
>>>
>>> On 10/11/2025 11:54 PM, Tim Chen wrote:
>>>> @@ -3999,6 +4038,7 @@ account_entity_enqueue(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq, struct sched_entity *se)
>>>>   		struct rq *rq = rq_of(cfs_rq);
>>>>   
>>>>   		account_numa_enqueue(rq, task_of(se));
>>>> +		account_llc_enqueue(rq, task_of(se));
>>>>   		list_add(&se->group_node, &rq->cfs_tasks);
>>>>   	}
>>>>   	cfs_rq->nr_queued++;
>>>> @@ -4010,9 +4050,14 @@ account_entity_dequeue(struct cfs_rq *cfs_rq, struct sched_entity *se)
>>>>   	update_load_sub(&cfs_rq->load, se->load.weight);
>>>>   	if (entity_is_task(se)) {
>>>>   		account_numa_dequeue(rq_of(cfs_rq), task_of(se));
>>>> +		account_llc_dequeue(rq_of(cfs_rq), task_of(se));
>>>>   		list_del_init(&se->group_node);
>>>>   	}
>>>>   	cfs_rq->nr_queued--;
>>>> +
>>>> +	/* safeguard to clear the cache aware data */
>>>> +	if (!parent_entity(se) && !cfs_rq->nr_queued)
>>>> +		reset_llc_stats(rq_of(cfs_rq));
>>>
>>> Instead of relying on reset_llc_stats() hack, I think a better approach
>>> would be to have a "p->se.llc_sched_active" flag similar to how uclamp
>>> has "uc_se->active" and we set this in account_llc_enqueue() which will
>>> still check for sched_cache_enabled() but account_llc_dequeue() would
>>> only check for "p->se.llc_sched_active" to decrement the stats and then
>>> unset the flag.
>>>
>>> That way, we cannot have an imbalanced accounting. Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> I suppose what you mean is to avoid the race condition between
>> enabling sched_cache and EQ/DE_LLC, similar to uclamp:
>>
>>          enqueue(taskA)
>>          // sched_cache gets enabled
>>          enqueue(taskB)
>>          dequeue(taskA)
>>          // Must not decrement rq->llc_pref for taskA
> 
> For this case, task A is already on rq when sched cache get
> enabled. But task A's preferred_llc is still -1. 
> 
> If we dequeue it while its preferred_llc is still -1, it won't
> affect rq->llc_pref.
> 
> If we change its preferred_llc to llc_i before we dequeue it,
> then rq->llc_pref[llc_i] will be incremented first.
> 
> Then when we dequeue task A, we will decrement it. We are
> still accounting rq->llc_pref[llc_i] correctly with current
> code.

So what I really disliked was having reset_llc_stats() to
reset the stat but looking at it again, that too is guarded
by sched_cache_enabled() counter so I think the counters can
still go out of balance if:

    /* Cache aware scheduling enabled */
    enqueue(TaskA) /* nr_llc_running = 1 */
    enqueue(TaskB) /* nr_llc_running = 2 */
    enqueue(TaskC) /* nr_llc_running = 3 */
    dequeue(TaskA) /* nr_llc_running = 2 */

    /* Cache aware scheduling disabled */

   dequeue(TaskB) /* nr_llc_running = 2 */
   dequeue(TaskC) /* nr_llc_running = 2 */

   /* nr_running == 0; nr_llc_running = 2 */
   /* Cache aware scheduling enabled again */

   enqueue(TaskD) /* nr_llc_running = 3 */
   enqueue(TaskE) /* nr_llc_running = 4 */

   ...

At some later point if nr_running reaches 0 again, then
"nr_llc_running" is finally reset to 0 but until then it
can show inaccurate value if users repeatedly toggle the
feature depending on the workload running.

> 
> The trickier case is if we need to dynamically resize
> rq->llc_pref[]. We need to make sure that we lock the rq
> to prevent enqueue/dequeue, switch it to a larger size
> rq->llc_pref[], copy the old data over, then switch over
> to the larger sized rq->llc_pref[] and unlock rq to keep
> the accounting straight.

When that happens, we'll have to modify sched domains since
something has changed in the system / cpuset and rq_attach_root()
could be a good place to do it at when rq is offlined and onlined
once again with the rq_lock held.

Only issue is if the partition splits the LLC in which case, we'll
have two LLC index - one for for first half and another for the
second half and we'll have to re-account the task to this new
index.

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-29  4:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-11 18:24 [PATCH 00/19] Cache Aware Scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 01/19] sched/fair: Add infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-14 19:12   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-15  4:54     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 19:32       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  3:11         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:07       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-23  7:26   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-27  4:47   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 13:35     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 02/19] sched/fair: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2025-10-15 10:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:27     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27  5:01   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 14:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28  2:50       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 03/19] sched/fair: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 04/19] sched/fair: Introduce a static key to enable cache aware only for multi LLCs Tim Chen
2025-10-15 11:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:25     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 16:36       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-15 17:01         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-16  7:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-17  2:08             ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-16  7:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27  5:42   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 12:56     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27 23:36       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29 12:36         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28  2:46       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 05/19] sched/fair: Add LLC index mapping for CPUs Tim Chen
2025-10-15 11:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:12     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 06/19] sched/fair: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2025-10-14  5:16   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 11:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16  3:13       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-17  4:50       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-20  9:41         ` Vern Hao
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 07/19] sched/fair: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:03     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  7:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 20:06         ` Tim Chen
2025-10-27  6:04   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 15:15     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28 15:46       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29  4:32         ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2025-10-29 12:48           ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29  4:00       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 17:06     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 08/19] sched/fair: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:41     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  7:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-21  8:28       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-23  6:07         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 09/19] sched/fair: Count tasks prefering each LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:42     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:43     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-27  8:33   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 23:19     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 10/19] sched/fair: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-15  7:23   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-15 15:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 21:28     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15 15:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:03     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-24  9:32   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-27  2:00     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29  9:51       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-29 13:19         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27  6:29   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 12:11     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 11/19] sched/fair: Identify busiest sched_group for LLC-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-15 15:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 21:18     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 12/19] sched/fair: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-27  9:04   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 22:59     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 13/19] sched/fair: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 14/19] sched/fair: Consider LLC preference when selecting tasks for load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 15/19] sched/fair: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2025-10-28  6:02   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 11:58     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28 15:30       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29  4:15         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29  3:54       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29 14:23         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29 21:09         ` Tim Chen
2025-10-30  4:19           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-30 20:07             ` Tim Chen
2025-10-31  3:32               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-31 15:17                 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-11-03 21:41                   ` Tim Chen
2025-11-03 22:07                 ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 16/19] sched/fair: Exclude processes with many threads from cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-23  7:22   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 17/19] sched/fair: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2025-10-22 17:21   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-23  6:55     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 18/19] sched/fair: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2025-10-15  6:57   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-16  4:44     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 19/19] sched/fair: Add user control to adjust the tolerance of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-29  8:07   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-29 12:54     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-14 12:13 ` [PATCH 00/19] Cache Aware Scheduling Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-14 21:48   ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15  5:38     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 18:26       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-16  4:57         ` Chen, Yu C

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