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From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"K Prateek Nayak" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
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	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
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	Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>, Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/19] sched/fair: Add infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 12:54:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5f140e59-23f9-46dd-bf5e-7bef0d897cd0@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22750d4a-fdd6-48ad-a2ca-aa0c12af329c@linux.ibm.com>

On 10/15/2025 3:12 AM, Madadi Vineeth Reddy wrote:
> On 11/10/25 23:54, Tim Chen wrote:
>> From: "Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>
>>
>> Cache-aware load balancing aims to aggregate tasks with potential
>> shared resources into the same cache domain. This approach enhances
>> cache locality, thereby optimizing system performance by reducing
>> cache misses and improving data access efficiency.
>>

[snip]

>> +static void __no_profile task_cache_work(struct callback_head *work)
>> +{
>> +	struct task_struct *p = current;
>> +	struct mm_struct *mm = p->mm;
>> +	unsigned long m_a_occ = 0;
>> +	unsigned long curr_m_a_occ = 0;
>> +	int cpu, m_a_cpu = -1, cache_cpu,
>> +	    pref_nid = NUMA_NO_NODE, curr_cpu;
>> +	cpumask_var_t cpus;
>> +
>> +	WARN_ON_ONCE(work != &p->cache_work);
>> +
>> +	work->next = work;
>> +
>> +	if (p->flags & PF_EXITING)
>> +		return;
>> +
>> +	if (!zalloc_cpumask_var(&cpus, GFP_KERNEL))
>> +		return;
>> +
>> +	curr_cpu = task_cpu(p);
>> +	cache_cpu = mm->mm_sched_cpu;
>> +#ifdef CONFIG_NUMA_BALANCING
>> +	if (static_branch_likely(&sched_numa_balancing))
>> +		pref_nid = p->numa_preferred_nid;
>> +#endif
>> +
>> +	scoped_guard (cpus_read_lock) {
>> +		get_scan_cpumasks(cpus, cache_cpu,
>> +				  pref_nid, curr_cpu);
>> +
> 
> IIUC, `get_scan_cpumasks` ORs together the preferred NUMA node, cache CPU's node,
> and current CPU's node. This could result in scanning multiple nodes, not preferring
> the NUMA preferred node.
> 

Yes, it is possible, please see comments below.

>> +		for_each_cpu(cpu, cpus) {
>> +			/* XXX sched_cluster_active */
>> +			struct sched_domain *sd = per_cpu(sd_llc, cpu);
>> +			unsigned long occ, m_occ = 0, a_occ = 0;
>> +			int m_cpu = -1, i;
>> +
>> +			if (!sd)
>> +				continue;
>> +
>> +			for_each_cpu(i, sched_domain_span(sd)) {
>> +				occ = fraction_mm_sched(cpu_rq(i),
>> +							per_cpu_ptr(mm->pcpu_sched, i));
>> +				a_occ += occ;
>> +				if (occ > m_occ) {
>> +					m_occ = occ;
>> +					m_cpu = i;
>> +				}
>> +			}
>> +
>> +			/*
>> +			 * Compare the accumulated occupancy of each LLC. The
>> +			 * reason for using accumulated occupancy rather than average
>> +			 * per CPU occupancy is that it works better in asymmetric LLC
>> +			 * scenarios.
>> +			 * For example, if there are 2 threads in a 4CPU LLC and 3
>> +			 * threads in an 8CPU LLC, it might be better to choose the one
>> +			 * with 3 threads. However, this would not be the case if the
>> +			 * occupancy is divided by the number of CPUs in an LLC (i.e.,
>> +			 * if average per CPU occupancy is used).
>> +			 * Besides, NUMA balancing fault statistics behave similarly:
>> +			 * the total number of faults per node is compared rather than
>> +			 * the average number of faults per CPU. This strategy is also
>> +			 * followed here.
>> +			 */
>> +			if (a_occ > m_a_occ) {
>> +				m_a_occ = a_occ;
>> +				m_a_cpu = m_cpu;
>> +			}
>> +
>> +			if (llc_id(cpu) == llc_id(mm->mm_sched_cpu))
>> +				curr_m_a_occ = a_occ;
>> +
>> +			cpumask_andnot(cpus, cpus, sched_domain_span(sd));
>> +		}
> 
> This means NUMA preference has no effect on the selection, except in the
> unlikely case of exactly equal occupancy across LLCs on different nodes
> (where iteration order determines the winner).
> 
> How does it handle when cache locality and memory locality conflict?
> Shouldn't numa preferred node get preference? Also scanning multiple
> nodes add overhead, so can restricting it to numa preferred node be
> better and scan others only when there is no numa preferred node?
> 

Basically, yes, you're right. Ideally, we should prioritize the NUMA
preferred node as the top priority. There's one case I find hard to
handle: the NUMA preferred node is per task rather than per process.
It's possible that different threads of the same process have different
preferred nodes; as a result, the process-wide preferred LLC could bounce
between different nodes, which might cause costly task migrations across
nodes. As a workaround, we tried to keep the scan CPU mask covering the
process's current preferred LLC to ensure the old preferred LLC is included
in the candidates. After all, we have a 2X threshold for switching the
preferred LLC.

thanks,
Chenyu

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-15  4:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-11 18:24 [PATCH 00/19] Cache Aware Scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 01/19] sched/fair: Add infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-14 19:12   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-15  4:54     ` Chen, Yu C [this message]
2025-10-15 19:32       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  3:11         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 11:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:07       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-23  7:26   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-27  4:47   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 13:35     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 02/19] sched/fair: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2025-10-15 10:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:27     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27  5:01   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 14:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28  2:50       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 03/19] sched/fair: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 04/19] sched/fair: Introduce a static key to enable cache aware only for multi LLCs Tim Chen
2025-10-15 11:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:25     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 16:36       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-10-15 17:01         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-16  7:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-17  2:08             ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-16  7:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-27  5:42   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 12:56     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27 23:36       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29 12:36         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28  2:46       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 05/19] sched/fair: Add LLC index mapping for CPUs Tim Chen
2025-10-15 11:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:12     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 06/19] sched/fair: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2025-10-14  5:16   ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 11:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16  3:13       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-17  4:50       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-20  9:41         ` Vern Hao
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 07/19] sched/fair: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:03     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  7:44       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-16 20:06         ` Tim Chen
2025-10-27  6:04   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 15:15     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28 15:46       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29  4:32         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29 12:48           ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29  4:00       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 17:06     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 08/19] sched/fair: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:41     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-16  7:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-21  8:28       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-23  6:07         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 09/19] sched/fair: Count tasks prefering each LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:42     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15 12:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 20:43     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-27  8:33   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 23:19     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 10/19] sched/fair: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-15  7:23   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-15 15:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 21:28     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15 15:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 16:03     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-24  9:32   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-27  2:00     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29  9:51       ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-29 13:19         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-27  6:29   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 12:11     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 11/19] sched/fair: Identify busiest sched_group for LLC-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-15 15:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-10-15 21:18     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 12/19] sched/fair: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-27  9:04   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-27 22:59     ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 13/19] sched/fair: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 14/19] sched/fair: Consider LLC preference when selecting tasks for load balancing Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 15/19] sched/fair: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2025-10-28  6:02   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-28 11:58     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-28 15:30       ` Tim Chen
2025-10-29  4:15         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29  3:54       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-29 14:23         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-29 21:09         ` Tim Chen
2025-10-30  4:19           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-30 20:07             ` Tim Chen
2025-10-31  3:32               ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-10-31 15:17                 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-11-03 21:41                   ` Tim Chen
2025-11-03 22:07                 ` Tim Chen
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 16/19] sched/fair: Exclude processes with many threads from cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-23  7:22   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 17/19] sched/fair: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2025-10-22 17:21   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-23  6:55     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 18/19] sched/fair: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2025-10-15  6:57   ` kernel test robot
2025-10-16  4:44     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-11 18:24 ` [PATCH 19/19] sched/fair: Add user control to adjust the tolerance of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-10-29  8:07   ` Aaron Lu
2025-10-29 12:54     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-14 12:13 ` [PATCH 00/19] Cache Aware Scheduling Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-14 21:48   ` Tim Chen
2025-10-15  5:38     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-10-15 18:26       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-10-16  4:57         ` Chen, Yu C

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