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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2026 20:15:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <atui5si5xs5px_Or@FV6GYCPJ69> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ed52bb6d48c87ab8023bf2165cadffa259e21725.camel@intel.com>
Fri, Oct 23, 2026 at 12:07:28AM +0200, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com wrote:
>On Thu, 2026-10-15 at 16:50 +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Connect the attestation family to the native TDX service. Expose
>> TDREPORT, Quote, MRTD and RTMR operations while preserving the existing
>> native interfaces.
>
>Along the lines of some of the other commenters I'm not clear on the benefits of
>the unified TD/VM attestation part of this.
>
>Especially when you talk about a TD report, it is pretty specific to TDX. So
>calling user code is going to need to know about TDX anyway. In fact the report
True. For this case, attestation subsystem creates just unified
transport: EVIDENCE_GET. Nice thing is that the same op can be used for
other evidence providing instances as well, like SPDM, armcca, tpm, etc.
>won't have all the details of the TD either. Going forward it's main function is
>to serve as a nonce transport blob and it only has TD details because of legacy
>constraints about SGX based attestation. So just a quirky TDX specific part of
>the flow on the way to get a quote.
>
>Can you help me connect the dots of why the unification for the TD/VM
>attestation helps us get to a wider attestation vision?
>
>
>One idea... Not sure on it. We are currently working on support for DICE based
>attestation for TDX. This is an industry standard and AFAIU other vendors will
>(want to?) support it too. Perhaps if we could have a single way to ask for for
>DICE based quote, it could make a cross vendor interface more useful? Callers
>could just call and get some standard format they can understand. It might take
>some work on the TDX side to ensure the DICE format quote.
Yes, that sounds useful and fits the proposed interface.
DEVICE_GET advertises the supported evidence formats, and callers select
one through EVIDENCE_GET. Providers implementing the same standardized
DICE evidence profile could advertise the same format identifier,
regardless of whether the underlying platform is TDX or something else:
EVIDENCE_GET(challenge=nonce,
object[]={PRIMARY(<agreed-DICE-profile>)})
We would not need a separate DICE operation or provider family. TDX could
advertise this alongside its existing evidence formats.
Makes sense?
>
>Regarding the device attestation part of this, DaveJ (CCed) is exploring this
>currently and can share some findings in a bit.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-23 18:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-15 14:50 [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 22:31 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:23 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 16:25 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 0:11 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:01 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 0:43 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 8:27 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:55 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 1:12 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 1:25 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22 9:05 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:58 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 14:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:23 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 16:24 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 16:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 8:22 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 19:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 13:01 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 13:04 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 22:07 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23 14:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 18:15 ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16 ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53 ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10 ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 8:33 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:12 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 19:05 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 10:54 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 11:24 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 18:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:19 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-22 19:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-22 19:40 ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 12:26 ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 13:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 14:07 ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 19:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:37 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 19:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:52 ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 20:43 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 9:26 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 13:45 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 14:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 15:22 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 16:11 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-20 16:52 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:23 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 13:18 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-21 13:50 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-21 13:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:31 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:48 ` James Bottomley
2026-10-21 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-19 12:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:49 ` James Bottomley
2026-10-20 13:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 10:30 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-22 15:38 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 16:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 8:04 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-23 11:32 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 14:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 15:28 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-23 15:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 19:13 ` Jonathan Cameron
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