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From: Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>
To: "Björn Töpel" <bjorn@kernel.org>
Cc: Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v1 11/11] eth: fbnic: Support AF_XDP page pool zero copy
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2026 17:28:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avc6tIIQ9uDQB4IM@boxer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87jymhot7q.fsf@all.your.base.are.belong.to.us>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2026 at 12:40:09PM +0100, Björn Töpel wrote:
> Björn Töpel <bjorn@kernel.org> writes:
> 
> > Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com> writes:
> >
> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2026 at 11:20:32AM +0100, Björn Töpel wrote:
> >
> >>> @@ -538,6 +547,13 @@ static int fbnic_bpf(struct net_device *netdev, struct netdev_bpf *bpf)
> >>>  {
> >>>  	struct bpf_prog *prog = bpf->prog, *prev_prog;
> >>>  	struct fbnic_net *fbn = netdev_priv(netdev);
> >>> +	const struct xsk_rx_check *check;
> >>> +
> >>> +	if (bpf->command == XDP_VALIDATE_XSK_POOL) {
> >>
> >> do you really need a separate command here? why not rely on existing
> >> XDP_SETUP_XSK_POOL ?
> >>
> >> here it doesn't look like things being validated are something unique that
> >> you could not check during XDP_SETUP_XSK_POOL and XDP_SETUP_PROG.
> >
> > I'd like to keep it. XDP_SETUP_XSK_POOL means "set up driver ZC for this
> > pool": the driver maps the UMEM and restarts its queue, and the core
> > WARNs if it didn't map. A provider driver does neither; it only says yes
> > or no, before the core maps and installs anything. The same question
> > comes up on MTU and program changes of a bound device, with the new MTU
> > or program, which XDP_SETUP_XSK_POOL can't carry. One command keeps that
> > in one place, and v2 runs it from the core MTU path too, so a driver
> > can't forget that case. This is only a burden for the core.
> 
> Thinking more about it, maybe I can drop the callback altogether, by
> doing what devmem, io_uring zcrx and tcp-data-split already do: the core
> refuses a setup that can't work, instead of asking the driver.
> 
> The driver only judges the chunk size and headroom, in
> ndo_validate_qcfg, which the queue API already calls when it installs
> the provider, with a new bit saying the buffers can't be split. A frame
> of up to the chunk size (minus headroom), then lands in one buffer, so
> the core checks the MTU itself, at bind and on MTU changes. And like
> tcp-data-split, a socket bound with XDP_USE_SG needs a frags XDP
> program: attaching a single-buffer program fails while one is bound, and
> the bind fails while one is attached.
> 
> That drops XDP_VALIDATE_XSK_POOL and struct xsk_rx_check, and fbnic's
> MTU and program hooks with them. Not fully cooked in my head, but maybe?
> Wdyt?

Would be nice, what I meant mostly was that a single driver can't do both
'legacy' ZC and new-age provider based xsk at the same time, so let us
have a single vehicle down to drivers, adjusted to both needs?

> 
> 
> Björn
> 

      reply	other threads:[~2026-11-13 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-10 10:20 [PATCH net-next v1 00/11] xsk: Zero copy through page-pool memory providers Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 01/11] net: Get skb fragment addresses through netmem Björn Töpel
2026-11-12  8:32   ` saeed bishara
2026-11-12 13:57     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-13  5:17   ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-13  9:08     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 02/11] net: Add memory provider capabilities Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 22:19   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 12:41     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 23:01       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-12 14:01         ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-13  0:21           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-13  5:30   ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 03/11] xdp: Copy buffers with restricted lifetime Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 22:32   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 13:27     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 23:05       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 04/11] xsk: Allocate UMEM chunks through page_pool Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 15:08   ` Magnus Karlsson
2026-11-11 13:51     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 23:02   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 13:59     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 23:09       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 05/11] xsk: Install UMEM page pool providers in the core Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 23:50   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 14:01     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11  8:59   ` Magnus Karlsson
2026-11-11 19:26     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-12  8:08       ` Magnus Karlsson
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-12 11:53   ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2026-11-12 14:48     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-12 15:43       ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2026-11-12 19:51         ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 06/11] page_pool: Coordinate refill with memory providers Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 23:51   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-11 19:37     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 23:13       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-12 14:53         ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 07/11] xsk: Deliver provider chunks without copying Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-11 23:20   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-12 15:10     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-12 12:17   ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2026-11-12 19:57     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 08/11] eth: fbnic: Support XDP redirect Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 09/11] eth: fbnic: Use netmem for RX headers and XDP_TX Björn Töpel
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 10/11] eth: fbnic: Support RX buffers it cannot split Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 21:45   ` Dimitri Daskalakis
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-10 10:20 ` [PATCH net-next v1 11/11] eth: fbnic: Support AF_XDP page pool zero copy Björn Töpel
2026-11-11 22:41   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-11-12 11:37   ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2026-11-12 20:03     ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-13 11:40       ` Björn Töpel
2026-11-13 16:28         ` Maciej Fijalkowski [this message]

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