From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@parallels.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] [PATCH] sched: Add smp_rmb() in task rq locking cycles
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:36:36 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150217183636.GR5029@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150217160532.GW4166@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 08:05:32AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > FWIW, we should probably update that table to include control
> > dependencies too; we didn't (formally) have those back then I think.
> >
> > The blob under SMP BARRIER PAIRING does not mention pairing with control
> > dependencies; and I'm rather sure I've done so.
>
> Yep, they should pair as well, though the pairing is limited.
> No transitivity, of course.
>
> So the straightforward approach requires eighteen bits per cell, though
> some of them are a bit, ummm, "unusual".
Right, I think the idea was to not mark with 'X' when very unusual,
otherwise you do indeed obtain the below 'trivial' matrix.
> Sixteen of these are given by
> Scenarios 0-15 in http://lwn.net/Articles/573436/, with the barrier on
> the side corresponding to the first column and the barrier on the top
> corresponding to the second column. The seventeenth bit says whether
> you get transitivity chaining after the top access, assuming that it
> happens later. The eighteenth bit says whether you get transitivity
> chaining before the side access, assuming that it happens earlier.
>
> The following is a rough first guess, filling in only the diagonal.
> Some of the entries are no doubt wrong, and getting them right requires
> something like 7*7*18 test cases, which will take some time. So, is
> something like this really helpful?
> | mb | wmb | rmb | rbd | acq | rel | ctl |
> -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> mb | 3ffff | X | X | X | X | X | X +
> -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> wmb | X | 01000 | X | X | X | X | X +
> -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> rmb | X | X | 00000 | X | X | X | X +
> -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> rbd | X | X | X | 00000 | X | X | X +
> -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> acq | X | X | X | X | 00020 | X | X +
> -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> rel | X | X | X | X | X | 0cc00 | X +
> -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> ctl | X | X | X | X | X | X | 00020 +
> -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
So maybe make two tables; one with 'obvious' pairings, which would
include things like mb - {mb,rmb,wmb}; rmb-wmb; acq-rel; ctl-mb; etc.
That table is for people to quickly check 'easy'; like yes wmb-rbd makes
sense and rmb-rbd doesn't appear to make sense, I need more reading up.
After that do the 'funny' table, which will explain further possible
pairings in more detail, like the rmb-rbd pairing.
I'm not entirely sure we want to do the 7*7*18 state table, that's a lot
of work to exhaustively generate. We should be lazy and demand fill when
people come to us.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-02-17 18:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20150217104516.12144.85911.stgit@tkhai>
2015-02-17 10:47 ` Kirill Tkhai
2015-02-17 12:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 12:36 ` Kirill Tkhai
2015-02-17 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 13:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 16:05 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-17 18:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-17 18:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 21:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 13:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 18:36 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-02-17 21:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 13:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-18 18:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 15:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 16:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-18 16:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 19:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 15:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 19:14 ` Manfred Spraul
2015-02-18 22:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-19 14:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-20 18:28 ` Manfred Spraul
2015-02-20 18:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-20 20:23 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-21 12:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-25 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-26 10:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-28 14:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 15:53 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 16:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 16:44 ` [PATCH] spinlock: clarify doc for raw_spin_unlock_wait() Chris Metcalf
2015-04-29 17:34 ` Manfred Spraul
2015-04-28 17:33 ` [PATCH 1/2] tile: modify arch_spin_unlock_wait() semantics Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 17:33 ` [PATCH 2/2] tile: use READ_ONCE() in arch_spin_is_locked() Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 16:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] [PATCH] sched: Add smp_rmb() in task rq locking cycles Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 16:58 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 17:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 18:00 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 18:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 18:38 ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 14:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 20:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-21 3:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-23 18:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 17:05 ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Clarify ordering between task_rq_lock() and move_queued_task() tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
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