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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@parallels.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] [PATCH] sched: Add smp_rmb() in task rq locking cycles
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:23:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150218192345.GE5745@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150218163256.GA29123@redhat.com>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 05:32:56PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 02/18, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 04:53:34PM +0100, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > > On 02/17, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > >
> > > >       |   mb  |  wmb  |  rmb  |  rbd  |  acq  |  rel  |  ctl  |
> > > >  -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > >    mb |   Y   |       |   Y   |   y   |   Y   |       |   Y   +
> > > >  -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > >   wmb |   Y   |       |   Y   |   y   |   Y   |       |   Y   +
> > > >  -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > >   rmb |       |       |       |       |       |       |       +
> > > >  -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > >   rbd |       |       |       |       |       |       |       +
> > > >  -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > >   acq |       |       |       |       |       |       |       +
> > > >  -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > >   rel |   Y   |       |   Y   |   y   |   Y   |       |   Y   +
> > > >  -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > > >   ctl |       |       |       |       |       |       |       +
> > > >  -----+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+
> > >
> > > OK, so "acq" can't pair with "acq", and I am not sure I understand.
> >
> > Please consider the table in the context of message passing; that is
> > what Paul proposed. Your example from sysvsems, while interesting, would
> > not fit the general scenario of message passing.
> 
> Ah, yeeees, sorry. Somehow I completely missed that part of Paul's email.
> 
> > This too illustrates a problem with that approach, people can't read, so
> > they'll pick the wrong table to look at.
> 
> At least we know that I certainly can't ;)

Nobody can!  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-18 19:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150217104516.12144.85911.stgit@tkhai>
2015-02-17 10:47 ` Kirill Tkhai
2015-02-17 12:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 12:36     ` Kirill Tkhai
2015-02-17 12:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 13:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 16:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-17 18:01         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-17 18:23           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 21:45             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 13:41               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 18:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-17 21:52           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 13:47             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-18 18:43               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 15:53             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 16:11               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-18 16:32                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 19:23                   ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-02-18 15:59             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-18 19:14               ` Manfred Spraul
2015-02-18 22:43                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-19 14:19                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-20 18:28                     ` Manfred Spraul
2015-02-20 18:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-20 20:23                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-21 12:54                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-25 19:56                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-26 10:52                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-28 14:33                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 15:53                               ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 16:24                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 16:44                                   ` [PATCH] spinlock: clarify doc for raw_spin_unlock_wait() Chris Metcalf
2015-04-29 17:34                                     ` Manfred Spraul
2015-04-28 17:33                                   ` [PATCH 1/2] tile: modify arch_spin_unlock_wait() semantics Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 17:33                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] tile: use READ_ONCE() in arch_spin_is_locked() Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 16:40                                 ` [PATCH 2/2] [PATCH] sched: Add smp_rmb() in task rq locking cycles Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 16:58                                   ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 17:43                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 18:00                                       ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 18:24                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 18:38                                           ` Chris Metcalf
2015-04-28 14:32                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-28 20:33                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-21  3:26                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-23 18:29                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-02-18 17:05     ` [tip:sched/core] sched: Clarify ordering between task_rq_lock() and move_queued_task() tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra

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