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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	 "Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli	 <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	 Valentin Schneider	 <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jianyong Wu	 <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
	Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	Tingyin Duan	 <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
	Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Vern Hao	 <haoxing990@gmail.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Aubrey Li	 <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
	Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>, Chen Yu	 <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 04/23] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2025 11:53:05 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <09a6d7832003733acbdf6bcc5f6f32b55a0caba4.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c9a12d71-faea-4de5-a1b3-f603cf153f91@intel.com>

On Tue, 2025-12-16 at 13:31 +0800, Chen, Yu C wrote:
> On 12/16/2025 4:49 AM, Tim Chen wrote:
> > On Tue, 2025-12-09 at 12:58 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2025 at 03:07:23PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> > > 
> > > > diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > > index 710ed9943d27..0a3918269906 100644
> > > > --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > > +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > > @@ -1210,10 +1210,17 @@ __read_mostly unsigned int llc_imb_pct            = 20;
> > > >   
> > > >   static int llc_id(int cpu)
> > > >   {
> > > > +	int llc;
> > > > +
> > > >   	if (cpu < 0)
> > > >   		return -1;
> > > >   
> > > > +	llc = per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu);
> > > > +	/* avoid race with cpu hotplug */
> > > > +	if (unlikely(llc >= max_llcs))
> > > > +		return -1;
> > > > +
> > > > +	return llc;
> > > >   }
> > > >   
> > > >   void mm_init_sched(struct mm_struct *mm, struct mm_sched __percpu *_pcpu_sched)
> > > 
> > > > @@ -668,6 +670,55 @@ DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct sched_domain __rcu *, sd_asym_cpucapacity);
> > > >   DEFINE_STATIC_KEY_FALSE(sched_asym_cpucapacity);
> > > >   DEFINE_STATIC_KEY_FALSE(sched_cluster_active);
> > > >   
> > > > +/*
> > > > + * Assign continuous llc id for the CPU, and return
> > > > + * the assigned llc id.
> > > > + */
> > > > +static int update_llc_id(struct sched_domain *sd,
> > > > +			 int cpu)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	int id = per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu), i;
> > > > +
> > > > +	if (id >= 0)
> > > > +		return id;
> > > > +
> > > > +	if (sd) {
> > > > +		/* Look for any assigned id and reuse it.*/
> > > > +		for_each_cpu(i, sched_domain_span(sd)) {
> > > > +			id = per_cpu(sd_llc_id, i);
> > > > +
> > > > +			if (id >= 0) {
> > > > +				per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu) = id;
> > > > +				return id;
> > > > +			}
> > > > +		}
> > > > +	}
> > > > +
> > > > +	/*
> > > > +	 * When 1. there is no id assigned to this LLC domain,
> > > > +	 * or 2. the sd is NULL, we reach here.
> > > > +	 * Consider the following scenario,
> > > > +	 * CPU0~CPU95 are in the node0, CPU96~CPU191 are
> > > > +	 * in the node1. During bootup, maxcpus=96 is
> > > > +	 * appended.
> > > > +	 * case 1: When running cpu_attach_domain(CPU24)
> > > > +	 * during boot up, CPU24 is the first CPU in its
> > > > +	 * non-NULL LLC domain. However,
> > > > +	 * its corresponding llc id has not been assigned yet.
> > > > +	 *
> > > > +	 * case 2: After boot up, the CPU100 is brought up
> > > > +	 * via sysfs manually. As a result, CPU100 has only a
> > > > +	 * Numa domain attached, because CPU100 is the only CPU
> > > > +	 * of a sched domain, all its bottom domains are degenerated.
> > > > +	 * The LLC domain pointer sd is NULL for CPU100.
> > > > +	 *
> > > > +	 * For both cases, we want to increase the number of LLCs.
> > > > +	 */
> > > > +	per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu) = max_llcs++;
> > > > +
> > > > +	return per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu);
> > > > +}
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure I follow. So partition_sched_domains() first calls
> > > detach_destroy_domains() on the old set, and then build_sched_domains()
> > > on the new set.
> > > 
> > > Do detach_destroy_domain() will do:
> > > 
> > >    cpu_attach_domain(NULL,..);
> > > 
> > > That is, it will explicitly attach the NULL sched_domain to a CPU. At
> > > which point I feel update_llc_id() should be returning -1, no?
> > > 
> > > Then later, build_sched_domains() will set a !NULL sched_domain, at
> > > which point update_llc_id() can set a real value.
> > > 
> > > This should then also get rid of that weird max_llcs check in llc_id(),
> > > right?
> 
> The check for max_llcs was intended to prevent out-of-bounds access
> to rq->nr_pref_llc[] at multiple points in the code.
> Since dst_llc = llc_id(env->dst_cpu); — and while the LLC ID for the
>   CPU is updated in update_llc_id(), this update occurs before we reallocate
>   the nr_pref_llc buffer — dst_llc may end up exceeding the bounds of the
> original nr_pref_llc buffer.
> 
> For this reason, we added a check if (dst_llc > max_llc) in llc_id()
> when attempting to access rq->nr_pref_llc[dst_llc].
> 
> However, I agree that the max_llc check seems to not properly integrated
> into  the current patch: it should instead be placed in the 7th patch, as
> this would better illustrate the rationale for the max_llc check here:
> sched/cache: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter
> 
> In the 7th patch, we actually increment new_max_llcs rather than
> max_llcs — meaning max_llcs always represents the "old" number of LLCs.
> As a result, there is a race window between extending the rq->nr_pref_llc
> buffer and updating max_llcs.
> 
> 
> @@ -714,7 +827,7 @@ static int update_llc_id(struct sched_domain *sd,
>   	 *
>   	 * For both cases, we want to increase the number of LLCs.
>   	 */
> -	per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu) = max_llcs++;
> +	per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu) = new_max_llcs++;
> 
>   	return per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu);
>   }
> 
> 
> > Thanks for pointing this out.  Yes, we should take care of the
> > attachment of NULL sd. Will update the code accordingly.
> > 
> 
> My understanding is that, if the sd is NULL, it is either because invoked
> by detach_destroy_domain() for the old set, or by case 2 mentioned in 
> above comments:
> Say, CPU0-CPU95 are online during bootup, the boot command line is 
> maxcpus=96.
> Later after bootup, the user wants to bring up CPU100, the LLC domain for
> CPU100 is NULL in this case(due to sd generation), and a new LLC should be
> detected.
> 
> That is to say, when we reach update_llc_id(), there could be 2 reasons
> for NULL sd. For the detach_destroy_domain() case, update_llc_id()
> should return a valid id without increasing the max_llcs, because of
>      if (id >= 0)
>          return id;
> And for the latter, the max_llcs should be increased.
> Let me double check on this.

The issue is we could offline all CPUs in a LLC and online them later.
In the current code, we will assign their ids all to -1. So on attach
of CPUs again, we'll be assigning a new LLC.  I think the proper thing
to do is not to assign llc id of the offlined cpu (the case where sd == NULL)
and keep the original llc id assigned.  Then we should be okay and not
increase max_llcs.

Tim

> 
> thanks,
> Chenyu
> 
> 
> > Tim

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-16 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-03 23:07 [PATCH v2 00/23] Cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 21:39     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10  9:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 13:57     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11  9:03   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-16  6:12     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17  1:17       ` Vern Hao
2026-01-15 21:47         ` Tim Chen
     [not found]   ` <fbf52d91-0605-4608-b9cc-e8cc56115fd5@gmail.com>
2025-12-16 22:30     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] sched/cache: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 14:02     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 23:58         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-01-22 18:13   ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-22 20:43     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15 20:49     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-16  5:31       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-16 19:53         ` Tim Chen [this message]
2025-12-17  5:25           ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-23  5:31   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-24  7:08     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-24  8:19       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-24  9:46         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-26  3:17           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2025-12-09 12:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 22:34     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-12  3:34   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-15 19:32     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-19  4:01       ` Vern Hao
2025-12-24 10:20         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-01-07  4:49   ` Jianyong Wu
2026-01-07  8:38     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2025-12-09 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 22:55     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10  9:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  0:20         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17 10:04   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-17 12:37     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] sched/cache: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-12-09 13:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 23:17     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 18:36     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 18:49     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-11 10:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15 19:21         ` Tim Chen
2025-12-16 22:45         ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] sched/cache: Calculate the per runqueue task LLC preference Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 14:05     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 19:00         ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 23:50         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 11/23] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 12/23] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-10 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  0:52     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 13/23] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 14/23] sched/cache: Consider LLC preference when selecting tasks for load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-10 15:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 15/23] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  7:30     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 16/23] sched/cache: Introduce sched_cache_present to enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 16:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  7:36       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-16  7:31     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 17/23] sched/cache: Record the number of active threads per process for cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  7:40     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17  9:40   ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-17 12:51     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19  3:32       ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 18/23] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 19/23] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2025-12-18  3:59   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-18  8:32     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-18  9:42       ` Vern Hao
2025-12-19  3:14         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-19 12:55           ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-22  2:49             ` Vern Hao
2025-12-22  2:19           ` Vern Hao
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 20/23] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the parameters of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-10 17:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  7:42     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19  4:14   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-19 13:21     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 13:39     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-23 12:12   ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-23 16:44     ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-24  3:28       ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-24  7:51         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-24 12:15           ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-15 10:03   ` Jianyong Wu
2026-01-15 12:13     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-01-21 15:21   ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-21 15:38     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 21/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/stats: Add schedstat for cache aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-19  5:03   ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-19 14:41     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 14:48       ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 22/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 23/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2025-12-17  9:59   ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-17 13:01     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19  3:19 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] Cache aware scheduling Aaron Lu
2025-12-19 13:04   ` Chen, Yu C

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