From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
"K Prateek Nayak" <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/23] sched/cache: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 08:58:12 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <30941dd6-52cd-41f5-ae9c-3966cf7a6653@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251210151350.GL3707837@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 12/11/2025 12:13 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 11:02:39PM +0900, Chen, Yu C wrote:
>> On 12/9/2025 8:21 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Wed, Dec 03, 2025 at 03:07:21PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
>>>
>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/sched/topology.h b/include/linux/sched/topology.h
>>>> index bbcfdf12aa6e..0ba4697d74ba 100644
>>>> --- a/include/linux/sched/topology.h
>>>> +++ b/include/linux/sched/topology.h
>>>> @@ -68,6 +68,10 @@ struct sched_domain_shared {
>>>> atomic_t nr_busy_cpus;
>>>> int has_idle_cores;
>>>> int nr_idle_scan;
>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_SCHED_CACHE
>>>> + unsigned long util_avg;
>>>> + unsigned long capacity ____cacheline_aligned_in_smp;
>>>
>>> This cacheline annotation confuses me, see below.
>>>
>>>> +#endif
>>>> };
>>>> struct sched_domain {
>>>> diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>> index cb82f558dc5b..b9f336300f14 100644
>>>> --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>> +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
>>>> @@ -9622,6 +9622,29 @@ static inline int task_is_ineligible_on_dst_cpu(struct task_struct *p, int dest_
>>>> return 0;
>>>> }
>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_SCHED_CACHE
>>>> +/* Called from load balancing paths with rcu_read_lock held */
>>>> +static __maybe_unused bool get_llc_stats(int cpu, unsigned long *util,
>>>> + unsigned long *cap)
>>>> +{
>>>> + struct sched_domain_shared *sd_share;
>>>> +
>>>> + sd_share = rcu_dereference(per_cpu(sd_llc_shared, cpu));
>>>> + if (!sd_share)
>>>> + return false;
>>>> +
>>>> + *util = READ_ONCE(sd_share->util_avg);
>>>> + *cap = READ_ONCE(sd_share->capacity);
>>>
>>> You placed capacity on a separate line, forcing the above to be 2
>>> distinct lines. That seems... sub-optimal?
>>>
>>
>> The reason capacity was placed in a separate cache line
>> is that writes to capacity are not very frequent(cpu hotplug
>> should not happen too-frequently), while writes to util_avg
>> tend to be relatively frequent(changes frequently).
>> If capacity and util_avg were placed in the same cache line,
>> I’m thinking writes to util_avg might invalidate the entire
>> cache line. This could potentially cause cache misses when
>> capacity is read elsewhere, which might lead to false sharing?
>
> But its introduced here and already read/written together. Is this not
> premature optimization?
I see, since they are read together, there could be a pre-load of
adjacent cachelines I suppose, I'll remove this cache alignment and
check if there is any performance impact.
Thanks,
Chenyu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-10 23:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-03 23:07 [PATCH v2 00/23] Cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 21:39 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 9:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 13:57 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 9:03 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-16 6:12 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17 1:17 ` Vern Hao
2026-01-15 21:47 ` Tim Chen
[not found] ` <fbf52d91-0605-4608-b9cc-e8cc56115fd5@gmail.com>
2025-12-16 22:30 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] sched/cache: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 14:02 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 23:58 ` Chen, Yu C [this message]
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-01-22 18:13 ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-22 20:43 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15 20:49 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-16 5:31 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-16 19:53 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-17 5:25 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-23 5:31 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-24 7:08 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-24 8:19 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-24 9:46 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-26 3:17 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2025-12-09 12:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 22:34 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-12 3:34 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-15 19:32 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-19 4:01 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-24 10:20 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-01-07 4:49 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-01-07 8:38 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2025-12-09 12:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 22:55 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 9:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 0:20 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17 10:04 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-17 12:37 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] sched/cache: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-12-09 13:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 23:17 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 18:36 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 18:49 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-11 10:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15 19:21 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-16 22:45 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] sched/cache: Calculate the per runqueue task LLC preference Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 14:05 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 19:00 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 23:50 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 11/23] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 12/23] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-10 13:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 0:52 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 13/23] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 14/23] sched/cache: Consider LLC preference when selecting tasks for load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-10 15:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 15/23] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 7:30 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 16/23] sched/cache: Introduce sched_cache_present to enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 7:36 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-16 7:31 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 17/23] sched/cache: Record the number of active threads per process for cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 7:40 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17 9:40 ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-17 12:51 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 3:32 ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 18/23] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 19/23] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2025-12-18 3:59 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-18 8:32 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-18 9:42 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-19 3:14 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-19 12:55 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-22 2:49 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-22 2:19 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 20/23] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the parameters of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-10 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 7:42 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 4:14 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-19 13:21 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 13:39 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-23 12:12 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-23 16:44 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-24 3:28 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-24 7:51 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-24 12:15 ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-15 10:03 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-01-15 12:13 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-01-21 15:21 ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-21 15:38 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 21/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/stats: Add schedstat for cache aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-19 5:03 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-19 14:41 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 14:48 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 22/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 23/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2025-12-17 9:59 ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-17 13:01 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 3:19 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] Cache aware scheduling Aaron Lu
2025-12-19 13:04 ` Chen, Yu C
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