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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	 "Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli	 <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	 Valentin Schneider	 <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jianyong Wu	 <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
	Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	Tingyin Duan	 <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
	Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Vern Hao	 <haoxing990@gmail.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Aubrey Li	 <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
	Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>, Chen Yu	 <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Adam Li	 <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>,
	Tim Chen	 <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 07/23] sched/cache: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2025 14:45:57 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <181d7d3b57439976d773f25b99c2df1d677bb8e6.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251211103150.GA3707891@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, 2025-12-11 at 11:31 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 10:49:14AM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> > On Wed, 2025-12-10 at 13:51 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2025 at 03:07:26PM -0800, Tim Chen wrote:
> 
> > > Would it perhaps be easier to stick this thing in rq->sd rather than in
> > > rq->nr_pref_llc. That way it automagically switches with the 'new'
> > > domain. And then, with a bit of care, a singe load-balance pass should
> > > see a consistent view (there should not be reloads of rq->sd -- which
> > > will be a bit of an audit I suppose).
> > 
> > We need nr_pref_llc information at the runqueue level because the load balancer 
> > must identify which specific rq has the largest number of tasks that 
> > prefer a given destination LLC. If we move the counter to the LLC’s sd 
> > level, we would only know the aggregate number of tasks in the entire LLC 
> > that prefer that destination—not which rq they reside on. Without per-rq 
> > counts, we would not be able to select the correct source rq to pull tasks from.
> > 
> > The only way this could work at the LLC-sd level is if all CPUs within 
> > the LLC shared a single runqueue, which is not the case today.
> > 
> > Let me know if I understand your comments correctly.
> 
> So the sched_domain instances are per-cpu (hence the need for
> sched_domain_shared). So irrespective of what level you stick them at (I
> was thinking the bottom most, but it really doesn't matter) they will be
> per CPU.

One side effect of that is when rebuild_sched_domains() got triggered, all
rq->sd is getting reallocated. So we'll lose the old LLC preferences till
we have time to re-sample process occupancy. I think it is okay as long
as the call to rebuild_sched_domains() too frequently.  Is this assumption
correct?

Tim 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-12-16 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-03 23:07 [PATCH v2 00/23] Cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:12   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 21:39     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10  9:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 13:57     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11  9:03   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-16  6:12     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17  1:17       ` Vern Hao
2026-01-15 21:47         ` Tim Chen
     [not found]   ` <fbf52d91-0605-4608-b9cc-e8cc56115fd5@gmail.com>
2025-12-16 22:30     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] sched/cache: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 14:02     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 23:58         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-01-22 18:13   ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-22 20:43     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15 20:49     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-16  5:31       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-16 19:53         ` Tim Chen
2025-12-17  5:25           ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-23  5:31   ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-24  7:08     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-24  8:19       ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-24  9:46         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-26  3:17           ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2025-12-09 12:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 22:34     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-12  3:34   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-15 19:32     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-19  4:01       ` Vern Hao
2025-12-24 10:20         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-01-07  4:49   ` Jianyong Wu
2026-01-07  8:38     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2025-12-09 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 22:55     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10  9:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  0:20         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17 10:04   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-17 12:37     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] sched/cache: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-12-09 13:06   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 23:17     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 18:36     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 18:49     ` Tim Chen
2025-12-11 10:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15 19:21         ` Tim Chen
2025-12-16 22:45         ` Tim Chen [this message]
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] sched/cache: Calculate the per runqueue task LLC preference Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 14:05     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 19:00         ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 23:50         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 11/23] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 12/23] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-10 13:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  0:52     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 13/23] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 14/23] sched/cache: Consider LLC preference when selecting tasks for load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-10 15:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 15/23] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  7:30     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 16/23] sched/cache: Introduce sched_cache_present to enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 16:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  7:36       ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-16  7:31     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 17/23] sched/cache: Record the number of active threads per process for cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  7:40     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17  9:40   ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-17 12:51     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19  3:32       ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 18/23] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 19/23] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2025-12-18  3:59   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-18  8:32     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-18  9:42       ` Vern Hao
2025-12-19  3:14         ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-19 12:55           ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-22  2:49             ` Vern Hao
2025-12-22  2:19           ` Vern Hao
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 20/23] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the parameters of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-10 17:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16  7:42     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19  4:14   ` Vern Hao
2025-12-19 13:21     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 13:39     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-23 12:12   ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-23 16:44     ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-24  3:28       ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-24  7:51         ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-24 12:15           ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-15 10:03   ` Jianyong Wu
2026-01-15 12:13     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-01-21 15:21   ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-21 15:38     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 21/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/stats: Add schedstat for cache aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-19  5:03   ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-19 14:41     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 14:48       ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 22/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 23/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2025-12-17  9:59   ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-17 13:01     ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19  3:19 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] Cache aware scheduling Aaron Lu
2025-12-19 13:04   ` Chen, Yu C

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