From: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
To: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
"Hillf Danton" <hdanton@sina.com>,
Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
"Jianyong Wu" <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
Tingyin Duan <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Vern Hao <haoxing990@gmail.com>,
Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
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Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 04/23] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2025 17:46:12 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b4be0d16-8f2e-4184-9854-a5d1e6415373@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <70ac9110-d899-4a74-bd3f-54a486a7e45d@amd.com>
On 12/24/2025 4:19 PM, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
> Hello Chenyu,
>
> On 12/24/2025 12:38 PM, Chen, Yu C wrote:
>> Hello Prateek,
>>
>> On 12/23/2025 1:31 PM, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
>>> Hello Tim, Chenyu,
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2025 4:37 AM, Tim Chen wrote:
[snip]
>> I'm OK with replacing the domain based cpumask by the topology_level
>> mask, just wondering whether re-using the llc_id would increase
>> the risk of race condition - it is possible that, a CPU has different
>> llc_ids before/after online/offline. Can we assign/reserve a "static"
>> llc_id for each CPU, whether it is online or offline? In this way,
>> we don't need to worry about the data synchronization when using
>> llc_id(). For example, I can think of adjusting the data in
>> percpu nr_pref_llc[max_llcs] on every CPU whenever a CPU gets
>> offline/online.
>
> So I was thinking of of expanding the rq->nr_pref_llc[] if the
> max_llc increases but leave it as is if the number of LLCs
> decreases. That way we don't have to worry about the
> dereferencing past the array boundary.
>
Sure, we can do in this way.
> We can also have a wrapper like:
>
> struct nr_llc_stats {
> int nr_llcs;
> struct rcu_head rcu;
> int *nr_pref_llc;
> }
>
> And re-allocate and attach it in rq_attach_root() during sd
> rebuild. That way, RCU read-side can always grab a reference to
> it, enqueue / dequeue don't need to care since it cannot change
> under rq_lock, and partition can use call_rcu() to free the old
> ones up.
>
OK, doing it in this direction(and Peter also suggested something like this
in the domain)
>>
>>> cpuset_update_active_cpus();
>>> } else {
[snip]
>>> AFAICT, "sd_llc_id" isn't compared across different partitions so having
>>> the CPUs that are actually associated with same physical LLC but across
>>> different partitions sharing the same "sd_llc_id" shouldn't be a problem.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>
>> This means cpus_share_resources(int this_cpu, int that_cpu)
Actually I was about to say cpus_share_cache().
>> should be invoked when this_cpu and that_cpu belong to the same partition.
>> In this way, we do not alter the context of cpus_share_resources(). We can
>> conduct an audit of the places where cpus_share_resources() is used.
>
> Only case I can think of is a task wakes up after partitioning
> and it's wake cpu from a different partition is mistaken to
> share the LLC as the current CPU - but the task cannot actually
> run on that old CPU and it'll have to take the
> select_fallback_rq() path if prev_cpu was selected during
> wake_affine().
>
OK, make sense.
Actually, prev_cpu might not be chosen by select_task_rq_fair()->
select_idle_sibling(), because fast path select_idle_sibling()
is expected to be triggered when prev_cpu and the current cpu are in the
same domain in select_task_rq_fair():
cpumask_test_cpu(prev_cpu, sched_domain_span(tmp))
sd = NULL; //wake affine
curr cpu and prev_cpu are in different partitions, they
are not in the same domains.
> I don't think it will be such a common occurence to cause an
> issue and even without that wake_affine() could still the
> prev_cpu if current CPU is busy or via wake_affine_weight().
>
I realized that sched_cache has added cpus_share_cache() in
several places, most of which should be related to load
balancing, which should not be a problem if llc_id is shared
among partitions. I'll double check.
thanks,
Chenyu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-24 9:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-03 23:07 [PATCH v2 00/23] Cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 21:39 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 9:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 13:57 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 9:03 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-16 6:12 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17 1:17 ` Vern Hao
2026-01-15 21:47 ` Tim Chen
[not found] ` <fbf52d91-0605-4608-b9cc-e8cc56115fd5@gmail.com>
2025-12-16 22:30 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] sched/cache: Record per-LLC utilization to guide cache-aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 14:02 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 23:58 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-01-22 18:13 ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-22 20:43 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2025-12-09 11:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15 20:49 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-16 5:31 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-16 19:53 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-17 5:25 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-23 5:31 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-24 7:08 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-24 8:19 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-24 9:46 ` Chen, Yu C [this message]
2025-12-26 3:17 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2025-12-09 12:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 22:34 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-12 3:34 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-15 19:32 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-19 4:01 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-24 10:20 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-01-07 4:49 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-01-07 8:38 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2025-12-09 12:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 22:55 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 9:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 0:20 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17 10:04 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-17 12:37 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] sched/cache: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-12-09 13:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-09 23:17 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 18:36 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 18:49 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-11 10:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-15 19:21 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-16 22:45 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] sched/cache: Calculate the per runqueue task LLC preference Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2025-12-10 12:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 14:05 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-10 15:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 19:00 ` Tim Chen
2025-12-10 23:50 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 11/23] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 12/23] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-10 13:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 0:52 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 13/23] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 14/23] sched/cache: Consider LLC preference when selecting tasks for load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-10 15:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 15/23] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 7:30 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 16/23] sched/cache: Introduce sched_cache_present to enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 7:36 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-16 7:31 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 17/23] sched/cache: Record the number of active threads per process for cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-10 16:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 7:40 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-17 9:40 ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-17 12:51 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 3:32 ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 18/23] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 19/23] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2025-12-18 3:59 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-18 8:32 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-18 9:42 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-19 3:14 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-12-19 12:55 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-22 2:49 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-22 2:19 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 20/23] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the parameters of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-12-10 17:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-16 7:42 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 4:14 ` Vern Hao
2025-12-19 13:21 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 13:39 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-23 12:12 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-23 16:44 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-24 3:28 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-24 7:51 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-24 12:15 ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-15 10:03 ` Jianyong Wu
2026-01-15 12:13 ` Chen, Yu C
2026-01-21 15:21 ` Yangyu Chen
2026-01-21 15:38 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 21/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/stats: Add schedstat for cache aware load balancing Tim Chen
2025-12-19 5:03 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-19 14:41 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 14:48 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 22/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2025-12-03 23:07 ` [PATCH v2 23/23] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2025-12-17 9:59 ` Aaron Lu
2025-12-17 13:01 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-12-19 3:19 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] Cache aware scheduling Aaron Lu
2025-12-19 13:04 ` Chen, Yu C
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