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From: Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David.Kaplan@amd.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 06/17] x86/cpu: Add SRSO untrain to retbleed=
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 15:31:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0ff5cabb-835f-2183-c8a5-5308e23e7f6f@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230809134233.d7hlutglk2j3f4w3@treble>

On 09/08/2023 2:42 pm, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2023 at 09:12:24AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> +	if (boot_cpu_has_bug(X86_BUG_SRSO)) {
>> +		has_microcode = boot_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_IBPB_BRTYPE) || cpu_has_ibpb_brtype_microcode();
>> +		if (!has_microcode) {
>> +			pr_warn("IBPB-extending microcode not applied!\n");
>> +			pr_warn(RETBLEED_SRSO_NOTICE);
>> +		} else {
>> +			/*
>> +			 * Enable the synthetic (even if in a real CPUID leaf)
>> +			 * flags for guests.
>> +			 */
>> +			setup_force_cpu_cap(X86_FEATURE_IBPB_BRTYPE);
>> +			setup_force_cpu_cap(X86_FEATURE_SBPB);
>> +
>> +			/*
>> +			 * Zen1/2 with SMT off aren't vulnerable after the right
>> +			 * IBPB microcode has been applied.
>> +			 */
>> +			if ((boot_cpu_data.x86 < 0x19) &&
>> +			    (cpu_smt_control == CPU_SMT_DISABLED))
>> +				setup_force_cpu_cap(X86_FEATURE_SRSO_NO);
> The rumor I heard was that SMT had to be disabled specifically by BIOS
> for this condition to be true.  Can somebody from AMD confirm?

It's Complicated.

On Zen1/2, uarch constraints mitigate SRSO when the core is in 1T mode,
where such an attack would succeed in 2T mode.  Specifically, it is
believed that the SRSO infinite-call-loop can poison more than 16
RSB/RAS/RAP entries, but can't poison 32 entries.

The RSB dynamically repartitions depending on the idleness of the
sibling.  Therefore, offlining/parking the siblings should make you
safe.  (Assuming you can handwave away the NMI hitting the parked thread
case as outside of an attackers control.)


In Xen, I decided that synthesizing SRSO_NO was only safe when SMT was
disabled by firmware, because that's the only case where it can't cease
being true later by admin action.

If it were just Xen's safety that mattered here it might be ok to allow
the OS SMT=0 cases, but this bit needs to get into guests, you can't
credibly tell the guest SRSO_NO and then make it unsafe at a later point.

~Andrew

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-09 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-09  7:12 [RFC][PATCH 00/17] Fix up the recent SRSO patches Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/17] x86/alternative: Unconditional custom return thunk Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:31   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-10 11:37   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/17] x86/cpu: Clean up SRSO return thunk mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 15:45   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-10 11:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 13:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-11  7:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-11 17:00         ` Nick Desaulniers
2023-08-12 11:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/17] x86/cpu: Make srso_untrain_ret consistent Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:00   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/17] objtool/x86: Fix SRSO mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:06   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 12:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 15:02         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 15:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/17] x86/cpu: Cleanup the untrain mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 12:51   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 13:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 18:30         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/17] x86/cpu: Add SRSO untrain to retbleed= Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:42   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:28       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 15:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 15:43           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:31     ` Andrew.Cooper3 [this message]
2023-08-09 14:39       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-10 15:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 16:10     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-11 10:27       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-12 11:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 12:12           ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 15:45           ` David Laight
2023-08-12 11:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 12:10         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 10:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/17] x86/cpu/kvm: Provide UNTRAIN_RET_VM Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:50   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:30       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 15:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-13 10:36   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 10:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/17] x86/cpu: Add IBPB on VMEXIT to retbleed= Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/17] x86: Remove CONFIG_CPU_SRSO Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:57   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/17] x86: Remove CPU_IBPB_ENTRY Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/17] x86/cpu: Remove all SRSO interface nonsense Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:10   ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-09 13:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:05   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:51       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 15:34   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/17] x86/cpu: Rename original retbleed return thunk Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:20   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 11:06       ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-10 13:02         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-13 15:23           ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-14 10:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-14 11:31               ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-14 12:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/17] objtool/x86: Add arch_is_offset_insn() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:56   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-09 14:34   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/17] objtool: Add comments to the arch_is_$foo() magic symbols Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/17] x86/cpu: Rename srso_(.*)_alias to srso_alias_\1 Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 16/17] x86/alternatives: Simplify ALTERNATIVE_n() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/17] x86/cpu: Use fancy alternatives to get rid of entry_untrain_ret() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:04 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/17] Fix up the recent SRSO patches Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-09 10:04 ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-09 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra

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