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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com
Cc: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David.Kaplan@amd.com, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 12/17] x86/cpu: Rename original retbleed return thunk
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:02:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230810130229.GA212435@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c4c1c9b8-9ced-7282-718e-48e14375e9f1@citrix.com>

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 12:06:17PM +0100, Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com wrote:
> On 09/08/2023 3:22 pm, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 09, 2023 at 10:20:31AM -0400, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 09, 2023 at 09:12:30AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >>> +++ b/tools/objtool/check.c
> >>> @@ -455,7 +455,12 @@ static int decode_instructions(struct ob
> >>>  				return -1;
> >>>  			}
> >>>  
> >>> -			if (func->return_thunk || !strcmp(func->name, "srso_safe_ret") || func->alias != func)
> >>> +			/*
> >>> +			 * Both zen_return_thunk() and srso_safe_ret() are embedded inside
> >>> +			 * another instruction and objtool doesn't grok that. Skip validating them.
> >>> +			 */
> >>> +			if (!strcmp(func->name, "zen_return_thunk") ||
> >>> +			    !strcmp(func->name, "srso_safe_ret") || func->alias != func)
> >> Hm, speaking of renaming they should probably be called
> >> retbleed_return_thunk() and srso_return_thunk().
> > Yes, clearly naming is better in daylight. Let me regex that.
> 
> btc_*, not retbleed_*.
> 
> That way it matches the terminology you'll find in the AMD whitepaper
> about what's going on, and there's already an entirely different issue
> called Retbleed.

So BTC as a whole is the fact that AMD predicts the type of an
instruction and then picks a predictor to predict the target of that
instruction, no?

The retbleed issue is that BTC is used to trick the thing into thinking
the RET is not a return but an indirect branch (type confusion) and then
pick the BTB predictor for a target, which got trained to point at
targer of choice.

The SRSO thing employs the same type confusion to train the RSB/RAP and
have RET, now correctly predicted to be a RET and using said RSB/RAP, to
jump to target of choice.

So in that regards, I don't think BTC is a good name for the thing.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-10 13:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-09  7:12 [RFC][PATCH 00/17] Fix up the recent SRSO patches Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/17] x86/alternative: Unconditional custom return thunk Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:31   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-10 11:37   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/17] x86/cpu: Clean up SRSO return thunk mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 15:45   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-10 11:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 13:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-11  7:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-11 17:00         ` Nick Desaulniers
2023-08-12 11:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/17] x86/cpu: Make srso_untrain_ret consistent Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:00   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/17] objtool/x86: Fix SRSO mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:06   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 12:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 15:02         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 15:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/17] x86/cpu: Cleanup the untrain mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 12:51   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 13:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 18:30         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/17] x86/cpu: Add SRSO untrain to retbleed= Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:42   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:28       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 15:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 15:43           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:31     ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-09 14:39       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-10 15:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 16:10     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-11 10:27       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-12 11:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 12:12           ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 15:45           ` David Laight
2023-08-12 11:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 12:10         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 10:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/17] x86/cpu/kvm: Provide UNTRAIN_RET_VM Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:50   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:30       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 15:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-13 10:36   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 10:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/17] x86/cpu: Add IBPB on VMEXIT to retbleed= Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/17] x86: Remove CONFIG_CPU_SRSO Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:57   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/17] x86: Remove CPU_IBPB_ENTRY Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/17] x86/cpu: Remove all SRSO interface nonsense Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:10   ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-09 13:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:05   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:51       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 15:34   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/17] x86/cpu: Rename original retbleed return thunk Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:20   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 11:06       ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-10 13:02         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-08-13 15:23           ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-14 10:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-14 11:31               ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-14 12:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/17] objtool/x86: Add arch_is_offset_insn() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:56   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-09 14:34   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/17] objtool: Add comments to the arch_is_$foo() magic symbols Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/17] x86/cpu: Rename srso_(.*)_alias to srso_alias_\1 Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 16/17] x86/alternatives: Simplify ALTERNATIVE_n() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/17] x86/cpu: Use fancy alternatives to get rid of entry_untrain_ret() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:04 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/17] Fix up the recent SRSO patches Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-09 10:04 ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-09 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra

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