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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David.Kaplan@amd.com, Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 06/17] x86/cpu: Add SRSO untrain to retbleed=
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 10:28:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230809142847.3prfwo6cclbydfep@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230809140603.GO212435@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Aug 09, 2023 at 04:06:03PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2023 at 09:42:33AM -0400, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 09, 2023 at 09:12:24AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > >  static enum retbleed_mitigation retbleed_mitigation __ro_after_init =
> > > @@ -796,6 +802,10 @@ static int __init retbleed_parse_cmdline
> > >  			retbleed_cmd = RETBLEED_CMD_AUTO;
> > >  		} else if (!strcmp(str, "unret")) {
> > >  			retbleed_cmd = RETBLEED_CMD_UNRET;
> > > +		} else if (!strcmp(str, "srso")) {
> > > +			retbleed_cmd = RETBLEED_CMD_UNRET_SRSO;
> > > +		} else if (!strcmp(str, "srso_alias")) {
> > > +			retbleed_cmd = RETBLEED_CMD_UNRET_SRSO_ALIAS;
> > 
> > It doesn't make sense for "srso_alias" to be a separate cmdline option,
> > as that option is a model-dependent variant of the SRSO mitigation.
> 
> so what I did with retbleed, and what should be fixed here too (I
> forgot) is run with:
> 
>   retbleed=force,unret
> 
> on any random machine (typically Intel, because I have a distinct lack
> of AMD machines :-() and look at the life kernel image to see if all the
> patching worked.
> 
> I suppose I should add:
> 
>   setup_force_cpu_bug(X86_BUG_SRSO);
> 
> to the 'force' option, then:
> 
>   retbleed=force,srso_alias
> 
> should function the same, irrespective of the hardware.
> 
> I'm also of the opinion that the kernel should do as told, even if it
> doesn't make sense. If you tell it nonsense, you get to keep the pieces.
> 
> So in that light, yes I think we should have separate options.

What if I want the SRSO mitigation regardless of CPU model?

> > > @@ -870,8 +915,17 @@ static void __init retbleed_select_mitig
> > >  	default:
> > >  		if (boot_cpu_data.x86_vendor == X86_VENDOR_AMD ||
> > >  		    boot_cpu_data.x86_vendor == X86_VENDOR_HYGON) {
> > > -			if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_CPU_UNRET_ENTRY))
> > > -				retbleed_mitigation = RETBLEED_MITIGATION_UNRET;
> > > +			if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_CPU_UNRET_ENTRY)) {
> > > +				if (boot_cpu_has_bug(X86_BUG_RETBLEED))
> > > +					retbleed_mitigation = RETBLEED_MITIGATION_UNRET;
> > > +
> > > +				if (boot_cpu_has_bug(X86_BUG_SRSO) && !boot_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_SRSO_NO)) {
> > > +					if (boot_cpu_data.x86 == 0x19)
> > > +						retbleed_mitigation = RETBLEED_MITIGATION_UNRET_SRSO_ALIAS;
> > > +					else
> > > +						retbleed_mitigation = RETBLEED_MITIGATION_UNRET_SRSO;
> > 
> > It would be great to get confirmation from somebody at AMD that the SRSO
> > mitigations supersede the Retbleed one, i.e., that the SRSO mitigations
> > also fix Retbleed.
> 
> They should, the discussions we had back then explained the Zen1/2
> retbleed case in quite some detail and the srso case matches that
> exactly with the movabs. A larger instruction is used because we need a
> larger embedded sequence of instructions, but otherwise it is identical.
> 
> The comments provided for srso_alias state the BTB is untrained using
> the explicit aliasing.
> 
> That is to say, AFAIU any of this, yes both srso options untrain the BTB
> and mitigate the earlier retbleed thing.
> 
> SRSO then goes one step further with the RAP/RSB clobber.

Ah, nice.  Please add that information somewhere (e.g., one of the
commit logs).

> > > +				}
> > > +			}
> > >  			else if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_CPU_IBPB_ENTRY) && boot_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_IBPB))
> > >  				retbleed_mitigation = RETBLEED_MITIGATION_IBPB;
> > 
> > Here should have the microcode check too:
> > 
> > 				if (boot_cpu_has_bug(X86_BUG_SRSO) && !has_microcode)
> > 					pr_err("IBPB-extending microcode not applied; SRSO NOT mitigated\n");
> 
> That earlier printk is unconditional of the selected mitigation, you
> really want it printed again?

Hm, if you don't want it printed twice then remove it from the
RETBLEED_CMD_IBPB case too.

-- 
Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-09 14:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-09  7:12 [RFC][PATCH 00/17] Fix up the recent SRSO patches Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/17] x86/alternative: Unconditional custom return thunk Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:31   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-10 11:37   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/17] x86/cpu: Clean up SRSO return thunk mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 15:45   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-10 11:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 13:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-11  7:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-11 17:00         ` Nick Desaulniers
2023-08-12 11:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/17] x86/cpu: Make srso_untrain_ret consistent Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:00   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/17] objtool/x86: Fix SRSO mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:06   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 12:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 12:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 15:02         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 15:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/17] x86/cpu: Cleanup the untrain mess Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 12:51   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 13:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 18:30         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/17] x86/cpu: Add SRSO untrain to retbleed= Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:42   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:28       ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2023-08-09 15:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 15:43           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:31     ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-09 14:39       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-10 15:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-10 16:10     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-11 10:27       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-12 11:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 12:12           ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 15:45           ` David Laight
2023-08-12 11:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-12 12:10         ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 10:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/17] x86/cpu/kvm: Provide UNTRAIN_RET_VM Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:50   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:06     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:30       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 15:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-13 10:36   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-08-14 10:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/17] x86/cpu: Add IBPB on VMEXIT to retbleed= Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/17] x86: Remove CONFIG_CPU_SRSO Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:57   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/17] x86: Remove CPU_IBPB_ENTRY Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/17] x86/cpu: Remove all SRSO interface nonsense Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 13:10   ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-09 13:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:05   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:51       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 15:34   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/17] x86/cpu: Rename original retbleed return thunk Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09 14:20   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09 14:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-10 11:06       ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-10 13:02         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-13 15:23           ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-14 10:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-14 11:31               ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-14 12:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/17] objtool/x86: Add arch_is_offset_insn() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:56   ` Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-09 14:34   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/17] objtool: Add comments to the arch_is_$foo() magic symbols Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/17] x86/cpu: Rename srso_(.*)_alias to srso_alias_\1 Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 16/17] x86/alternatives: Simplify ALTERNATIVE_n() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  7:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/17] x86/cpu: Use fancy alternatives to get rid of entry_untrain_ret() Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-09  9:04 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/17] Fix up the recent SRSO patches Nikolay Borisov
2023-08-09 10:04 ` Andrew.Cooper3
2023-08-09 11:58   ` Peter Zijlstra

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