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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	boqun@kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Cc: Hyunwoo Kim" <imv4bel@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2026 22:49:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pkymywth.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d633542b-2a2f-4adb-82c1-ea650466f63a@rowland.harvard.edu>

On Wed, Sep 09 2026 at 15:28, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2026 at 04:45:15PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> I can't tell what you're trying to do here.  The UNLOCK-LOCK ordering 
> in P0 means that P1 sees A=1 before it sees B=1.  But nothing in this 
> litmus test forces P1 to execute READ_ONCE(*b) before READ_ONCE(*A).  If 
> the reads are executed in the opposite order, you can see how P1 might 
> get r0=1 and r1=0.

The problem we are debating is:

    C = VAL1

    CPU0                    CPU1		CPU2
    
    STORE(A0, 0)
    STORE(A1, 0)

    LOCK(TLOCK)
    STORE(B, 1) // 0 -> 1
    UNLOCK(TLOCK)

                           LOCK(TLOCK)
                           b = LOAD(B)
                           if (b)
                              STORE(C, VAL0)

                                                c = LOAD(C)
                                                LOCK(c->lock)
                                                  a0 = LOAD(A0)
                                                  if (!a0)
                                                     STORE(A0, X1)
                                                     STORE(A1, X2)

The question is whether CPU2 can observe C == VAL0 and A0 == NULL before
A1 has completed.

My and Peter's argument is that the sequence

   UNLOCK(TLOCK) on CPU0   -> LOCK(TLOCK) on CPU1

implies RCtso and therefore the stores to A0 and A1 on CPU0 must be
before the store to C on CPU1.

Now because the LOAD(C) on CPU2 depends on that STORE(C) the
LOCK(c->lock) ensures that LOAD(A0) can't be reordered and because of
that STORE(A1, 0) has completed before that.

CPU2 LOAD(C) observing VAL0 has a data dependency on the STORE(C, VAL0)
on CPU1, which as argued above can only happen after the UNLOCK/LOCK
sequence CPU1 observes the STORE(B).

Subsequently LOCK(c->lock) has a data dependency on LOAD(C) and the LOCK
operation prevents that LOAD(A0) can be reordered before LOCK(c->lock).

So despite the fact that c->lock != TLOCK the UNLOCK(TLOCK)/LOCK(TLOCK)
sequence, which implies RCtso, the following takes care of it:

    1) the data dependency between the STORE(C, VAL0) on CPU1 and the
       c = LOAD(C) on CPU2 observing VAL0
   
    2) the data dependency of LOCK(c->lock) on #1

    3) due to LOCK() in #2 LOAD(A0) cannot observe the STORE(A0, 0) on
       CPU0 without the STORE(A1, 0) on CPU0 has completed.

If #3 can happen then that would obviously cause undebuggable data
corruption.

I hope this is understandable enough despite my brain having melted
several times by now while writing it up.

Thanks,

        tglx


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-09 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-05 18:58 [patch V2 0/8] exec/exit: POSIX timer related bugfixes and related cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-06 22:39   ` Eric W. Biederman
2026-09-06 23:28     ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 11:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 12:31   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 15:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 20:15       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 22:28         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-08 10:15           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  0:03             ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-09  9:17               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  8:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09  9:08               ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09  9:55                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 10:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 11:31                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 12:13                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 12:45                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 12:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 13:45                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 15:48                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 16:00                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 14:33                       ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 14:45                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 19:28                         ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 20:49                           ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-09-09 21:11                             ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 13:21                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-10 13:28                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-10 15:26                                 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 10:18                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  9:11               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 2/8] exec: Cleanup POSIX timers right after de_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:21   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 22:13   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 3/8] posix-timers: Move posixtimer_exec_cleanup() out of exec.c Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:50   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 4/8] posix-timers: Move POSIX timer group exit related code out of do_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 5/8] posix-cpu-timers: Move inlines out of public header Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 14:00   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 6/8] posix-cpu-timers: Use PF_EXITING to indicate exit Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 7/8] posix-cpu-timers: Prevent enqueueing when PF_EXITING is set Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:26   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:20     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 8/8] posix-timers: Handle exit in do_exit() completely Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:40   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:27     ` Thomas Gleixner

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