From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
boqun@kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Cc: Hyunwoo Kim" <imv4bel@gmail.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2026 22:49:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pkymywth.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d633542b-2a2f-4adb-82c1-ea650466f63a@rowland.harvard.edu>
On Wed, Sep 09 2026 at 15:28, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 09, 2026 at 04:45:15PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> I can't tell what you're trying to do here. The UNLOCK-LOCK ordering
> in P0 means that P1 sees A=1 before it sees B=1. But nothing in this
> litmus test forces P1 to execute READ_ONCE(*b) before READ_ONCE(*A). If
> the reads are executed in the opposite order, you can see how P1 might
> get r0=1 and r1=0.
The problem we are debating is:
C = VAL1
CPU0 CPU1 CPU2
STORE(A0, 0)
STORE(A1, 0)
LOCK(TLOCK)
STORE(B, 1) // 0 -> 1
UNLOCK(TLOCK)
LOCK(TLOCK)
b = LOAD(B)
if (b)
STORE(C, VAL0)
c = LOAD(C)
LOCK(c->lock)
a0 = LOAD(A0)
if (!a0)
STORE(A0, X1)
STORE(A1, X2)
The question is whether CPU2 can observe C == VAL0 and A0 == NULL before
A1 has completed.
My and Peter's argument is that the sequence
UNLOCK(TLOCK) on CPU0 -> LOCK(TLOCK) on CPU1
implies RCtso and therefore the stores to A0 and A1 on CPU0 must be
before the store to C on CPU1.
Now because the LOAD(C) on CPU2 depends on that STORE(C) the
LOCK(c->lock) ensures that LOAD(A0) can't be reordered and because of
that STORE(A1, 0) has completed before that.
CPU2 LOAD(C) observing VAL0 has a data dependency on the STORE(C, VAL0)
on CPU1, which as argued above can only happen after the UNLOCK/LOCK
sequence CPU1 observes the STORE(B).
Subsequently LOCK(c->lock) has a data dependency on LOAD(C) and the LOCK
operation prevents that LOAD(A0) can be reordered before LOCK(c->lock).
So despite the fact that c->lock != TLOCK the UNLOCK(TLOCK)/LOCK(TLOCK)
sequence, which implies RCtso, the following takes care of it:
1) the data dependency between the STORE(C, VAL0) on CPU1 and the
c = LOAD(C) on CPU2 observing VAL0
2) the data dependency of LOCK(c->lock) on #1
3) due to LOCK() in #2 LOAD(A0) cannot observe the STORE(A0, 0) on
CPU0 without the STORE(A1, 0) on CPU0 has completed.
If #3 can happen then that would obviously cause undebuggable data
corruption.
I hope this is understandable enough despite my brain having melted
several times by now while writing it up.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-09 20:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-05 18:58 [patch V2 0/8] exec/exit: POSIX timer related bugfixes and related cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:17 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-06 22:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2026-09-06 23:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 11:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 12:31 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 15:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 20:15 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 22:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-08 10:15 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 0:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-09 9:17 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 8:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 9:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 10:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 11:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 12:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 12:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 13:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 15:48 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 16:00 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 14:33 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 14:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 19:28 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 20:49 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-09-09 21:11 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 13:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-10 13:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-10 15:26 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 10:18 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 9:11 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 2/8] exec: Cleanup POSIX timers right after de_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 22:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 3/8] posix-timers: Move posixtimer_exec_cleanup() out of exec.c Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:50 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 4/8] posix-timers: Move POSIX timer group exit related code out of do_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 5/8] posix-cpu-timers: Move inlines out of public header Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 14:00 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 6/8] posix-cpu-timers: Use PF_EXITING to indicate exit Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 7/8] posix-cpu-timers: Prevent enqueueing when PF_EXITING is set Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 8/8] posix-timers: Handle exit in do_exit() completely Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:40 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
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