From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
boqun@kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Cc: Hyunwoo Kim" <imv4bel@gmail.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2026 11:58:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqPQrGWqKfX_5MMj@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260910132843.GS776954@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
Le Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 03:28:43PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra a écrit :
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 03:21:54PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>
> > So I understand this one. Now unfortunately litmus doesn't support
> > structures, but let's suppose it could. I'm taking the previous script
> > and introduce a small change in P1:
> >
> > C MP+polocks
> >
> > {}
> >
> > P0(int *A, int *B, spinlock_t *mylock)
> > {
> > spin_lock(mylock);
> > WRITE_ONCE(*A, 1);
> > spin_unlock(mylock);
> > spin_lock(mylock);
> > WRITE_ONCE(*B, 1);
> > spin_unlock(mylock);
> > }
> >
> > P1(int *A, int *B)
> > {
> > int r0;
> > int r1
> >
> > r0 = READ_ONCE(*B);
> > spin_lock(r0->somelock)
> > r1 = READ_ONCE(*A);
> > spin_unlock(r0->somelock)
> > }
> >
> > exists (1:r0=1 /\ 1:r1=0) (* Bad outcome. *)
> >
> >
> > So instead of doing a LOAD-ACQUIRE on B, I do a plain READ but I also
> > do a spin_lock right after on a data that depends on that READ. I can't
> > run that on litmus but this is the same (simplified) pattern as what we
> > had in this discussion and therefore I assume that it also works (ie: the
> > bad outcome shouldn't happen), is that right?
> >
> > Would it also work if spin_lock() was just a LOAD-ACQUIRE?
>
> Yes, see below.
>
> > Does it mean that data dependency implies sufficient ordering such that
> > a LOAD-ACQUIRE to a data that depends on B provides the same guarantees as
> > a LOAD-ACQUIRE to B?
>
> The way data dependencies work in this case is a LOAD->LOAD ordering.
> The LOAD-ACQUIRE that is part of LOCK must happen after the initial
> load. And then the later load is constrained by the ACQUIRE.
>
> So LOAD(B) must resolve in order to do LOAD_ACQUIRE(B->lock.value).
Ok I must confess that's not a pattern I'm used to and therefore it's
still a bit counter-intuitive to me. I hope we can document that somehow
somewhere.
Thanks a lot for the explanation!
--
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-05 18:58 [patch V2 0/8] exec/exit: POSIX timer related bugfixes and related cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:17 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-06 22:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2026-09-06 23:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 11:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 12:31 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 15:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 20:15 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 22:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-08 10:15 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 0:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-09 9:17 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 8:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 9:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 10:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 11:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 12:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 12:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 12:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 13:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 15:48 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 16:00 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 14:33 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 14:45 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 19:28 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 20:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 21:11 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 13:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-10 13:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-11 9:58 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-09-11 10:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-11 12:36 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-11 14:52 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 15:26 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-11 12:27 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-11 19:05 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 10:18 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 9:11 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 2/8] exec: Cleanup POSIX timers right after de_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 22:13 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 3/8] posix-timers: Move posixtimer_exec_cleanup() out of exec.c Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:50 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 4/8] posix-timers: Move POSIX timer group exit related code out of do_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 5/8] posix-cpu-timers: Move inlines out of public header Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 14:00 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 6/8] posix-cpu-timers: Use PF_EXITING to indicate exit Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 7/8] posix-cpu-timers: Prevent enqueueing when PF_EXITING is set Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:26 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 8/8] posix-timers: Handle exit in do_exit() completely Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:40 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
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