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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Cc: Hyunwoo Kim" <imv4bel@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2026 12:15:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ap_gOSWtPNjwWS1e@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875x0g3de3.ffs@fw13>

Le Tue, Sep 08, 2026 at 12:28:04AM +0200, Thomas Gleixner a écrit :
> On Mon, Sep 07 2026 at 22:15, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Le Mon, Sep 07, 2026 at 05:26:04PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner a écrit :
> >> It's not obvious of course and might deserve a comment.
> >> 
> >>       exit_signals()
> >>         lock(sighand)
> >>           old_leader->flags |= PF_EXITING;
> >>           head = remove_signals()
> >> #1      // RELEASE: PF_EXITING must become visible
> >>         unlock(sighand)
> >>         flush_list(head)
> >> 
> >>      ...
> >>      posixtimer_exit()
> >>        posix_cpu_timers_exit_task()
> >>         lock(sighand)
> >>         ...
> >> #2      // RELEASE: The stores in flush_list() must become visible
> >>         //          They might be already in case of preemption
> >>         //	    or due a RELEASE operation in seccomp_filter_release()
> >>         unlock(sighand)
> >
> > That second step only appears at the end of the patchset, right? Otherwise
> > it's done on release_task(), which is after transfer_pid().
> 
> Cleaning up the enqueued posix CPU timers has nothing to do with the
> signals.
> 
> >>     exit_notify()
> >>       lock(task_list_lock)
> >>       exit_state = EXIT_ZOMBIE;
> >> #3    // RELEASE: exit_state must become visible
> 
> In context of patch 1 alone, this RELEASE operation guarantees that the
> stores in flush_list() are visible.
> 
> The new leader cannot proceed with swapping the TIDs _before_ it
> acquires task list lock and observes under task_list_lock
> 
>          old_leader->exit_state != 0
> 
> The TID swap cannot be reordered by the CPU _before_ task list lock is
> acquired and the exit_state is observed as non-zero.
> 
> As the exit_notify() RELEASE made both the exit_state store and the
> preceeding flush_list() stores visible the third party must observe them
> correctly as well when it can observe the TID swap.
> 
> It does not matter whether the RELEASE operation after flush_list() is
> spin_unlock(siglock) or any other RELEASE operation before and including
> the final one in exit_notify().
> 
> Any of them will provide the guarantee because _all_ preceeding stores
> must be visible before the RELEASE operation is complete. 
> 
> No?
> 
> Thanks,

Yes this side is well ordered but what about the other side.
Ok let's simplify the picture:

Old leader                           Exec'ing New leader     CPU 2
-----                                -----                   -----

WRITE q->next = q
WRITE q->prev = q

ACQUIRE tasklist
RELEASE tasklist
                                     ACQUIRE tasklist
                                     RELEASE tasklist

                                     WRITE pid
                                                             READ pid
							     // smp_mb()
                                                             if q->next == q
                                                                 WRITE q->prev

Isn't there a missing pairing full barrier in CPU 2 ?

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-08 10:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-05 18:58 [patch V2 0/8] exec/exit: POSIX timer related bugfixes and related cleanups Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 1/8] signal: Prevent exec() race Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-06 22:39   ` Eric W. Biederman
2026-09-06 23:28     ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 11:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 12:31   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 15:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-07 20:15       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-07 22:28         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-08 10:15           ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-09-09  0:03             ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-09  9:17               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  8:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09  9:08               ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09  9:55                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 10:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 11:31                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 12:13                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 12:45                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 12:51                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-09 13:45                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 15:48                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 16:00                           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 14:33                       ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 14:45                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09 19:28                         ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 20:49                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-09 21:11                             ` Alan Stern
2026-09-10 13:21                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-10 13:28                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-09-10 15:26                                 ` Alan Stern
2026-09-09 10:18                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-09  9:11               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 2/8] exec: Cleanup POSIX timers right after de_thread() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 13:21   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 22:13   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 3/8] posix-timers: Move posixtimer_exec_cleanup() out of exec.c Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:50   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 4/8] posix-timers: Move POSIX timer group exit related code out of do_exit() Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 13:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 5/8] posix-cpu-timers: Move inlines out of public header Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-10 14:00   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 6/8] posix-cpu-timers: Use PF_EXITING to indicate exit Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 7/8] posix-cpu-timers: Prevent enqueueing when PF_EXITING is set Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:26   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:20     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-05 18:59 ` [patch V2 8/8] posix-timers: Handle exit in do_exit() completely Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-06 16:40   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-09-07 12:27     ` Thomas Gleixner

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