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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
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	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
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	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/21] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2026 08:58:03 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <579c9039-cd66-41c3-8a72-e73d6f836ee8@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8df218ecf39015830856c7b1053a0f777cc1ea42.camel@linux.intel.com>

Hello Tim,

On 2/18/2026 4:42 AM, Tim Chen wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-02-17 at 13:39 +0530, K Prateek Nayak wrote:
>> Hello Chenyu,
>>
>>
> 
> [...snip...]
> 
> 
>>>>>    */
>>>>>   DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct sched_domain __rcu *, sd_llc);
>>>>>   DEFINE_PER_CPU(int, sd_llc_size);
>>>>> -DEFINE_PER_CPU(int, sd_llc_id);
>>>>> +DEFINE_PER_CPU(int, sd_llc_id) = -1;
>>>>>   DEFINE_PER_CPU(int, sd_share_id);
>>>>>   DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct sched_domain_shared __rcu *, sd_llc_shared);
>>>>>   DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct sched_domain __rcu *, sd_numa);
>>>>> @@ -684,7 +685,6 @@ static void update_top_cache_domain(int cpu)
>>>>>         rcu_assign_pointer(per_cpu(sd_llc, cpu), sd);
>>>>>       per_cpu(sd_llc_size, cpu) = size;
>>>>> -    per_cpu(sd_llc_id, cpu) = id;
>>>>>       rcu_assign_pointer(per_cpu(sd_llc_shared, cpu), sds);
>>>>>         sd = lowest_flag_domain(cpu, SD_CLUSTER);
>>>>> @@ -2567,10 +2567,18 @@ build_sched_domains(const struct cpumask *cpu_map, struct sched_domain_attr *att
>>>>>         /* Set up domains for CPUs specified by the cpu_map: */
>>>>>       for_each_cpu(i, cpu_map) {
>>>>> -        struct sched_domain_topology_level *tl;
>>>>> +        struct sched_domain_topology_level *tl, *tl_llc = NULL;
>>>>> +        int lid;
>>>>>             sd = NULL;
>>>>>           for_each_sd_topology(tl) {
>>>>> +            int flags = 0;
>>>>> +
>>>>> +            if (tl->sd_flags)
>>>>> +                flags = (*tl->sd_flags)();
>>>>> +
>>>>> +            if (flags & SD_SHARE_LLC)
>>>>> +                tl_llc = tl;
>>>>
>>>> nit. This loop breaks out when sched_domain_span(sd) covers the entire
>>>> cpu_map and it might have not reached the topmost SD_SHARE_LLC domain
>>>> yet. Is that cause for any concern?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could you please elaborate a little more on this? If it covers the
>>> entire cpu_map shouldn't it stop going up to its parent domain?
>>> Do you mean, sd_llc_1 and its parent sd_llc_2 could cover the same cpu_map,
>>> and we should let tl_llc to assigned to sd_llc_2 (sd_llc_1 be degenerated? )
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is technically possible but assume following
>> topology:
>>
>>    [                 LLC: 8-15                 ]
>>    [ SMT: 8,9 ][ SMT: 10,11 ] ... [ SMT: 14,15 ]
>>
>> and the following series of events:
>>
>> o All CPUs in LLC are offline to begin with (maxcpus = 1 like scenario).
>>
>> o CPUs 10-15 are onlined first.
>>
>> o CPU8 is put in a separate root partition and brought online.
>>   (XXX: I'm not 100% sure if this is possible in this order)
>>
>> o build_sched_domains() will bail out at SMT domain since the cpumap
>>   is covered by tl->mask() and tl_llc = tl_smt.
>>
>> o llc_id calculation uses the tl_smt->mask() which will not contain
>>   CPUs 10-15 and CPU8 will get a unique LLC id even though there are
>>   other online CPUs in the LLC with a different llc_id (!!!)
>>
>>
>> Instead, if we traversed to tl_mc, we would have seen all the online
>> CPUs in the MC and reused the llc_id from them. Might not be an issue on
>> its own but if this root partition is removed later, CPU8 will continue
>> to have the unique llc_id even after merging into the same MC domain.
> 
> There is really no reason to reuse the llc_id as far as cache aware scheduling
> goes in its v3 revision (see my reply to Madadi on this patch).  

Even I don't mind having some holes in the llc_id space when CPUs are
offlined but my major concern would be seeing an inconsistent state
where CPUs in same MC domains end up with different llc_id when after
a bunch of hotplug activity.

>  
> I am thinking that if we just simply rebuild LLC id across sched domain
> rebuilds, that is probably the cleanest solution. There could be some races
> in cpus_share_cache() as llc_id gets reassigned for some CPUs when they
> come online/offline.  But we also having similar races in current mainline code.
> Worst it can do is some temporary sub-optimal scheduling task placement. 
> 
> Thoughts?

If you are suggesting populating the sd_llc_id for all the CPUs on
topology rebuild, I'm not entirely against the idea.

On a separate note, if we add a dependency on SCHED_MC for SCHED_CACHE,
we can simply look at cpu_coregroup_mask() and either allocate a new
llc_id / borrow llc id  in sched_cpu_activate() when CPU is onlined or
reassign them in sched_cpu_deactivate() if an entire LLC is offlined.

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-18  3:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-10 22:18 [PATCH v3 00/21] Cache Aware Scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/21] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-14 12:26   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-14 15:34     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17 18:51       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/21] sched/cache: Record per LLC utilization to guide cache aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 03/21] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-02-14 16:12   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-15 12:14     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 11:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 14:48     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 14:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 04/21] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2026-02-14 17:53   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-15 14:25     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17 10:05       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-17 21:20         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-16  7:44   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-17  6:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17  8:09       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-17 23:12         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18  3:28           ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]
2026-02-18 15:22             ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-18 17:46               ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-18 23:21                 ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19  6:12                   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-19 15:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  0:11                     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 11:25                   ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 16:10                     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-18 18:45               ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18 21:33             ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18 15:11         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 15:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 15:22           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 15:53       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 16:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 16:10           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 19:24             ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 19:30               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 19:35                 ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 11:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 18:17     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 14:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:20     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 19:20       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 21:04         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 17:17           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 05/21] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2026-02-14 18:36   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-16  6:58     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 06/21] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 07/21] sched/cache: Introduce per CPU's tasks LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2026-02-20 10:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 16:57     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 18:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 08/21] sched/cache: Calculate the percpu sd task LLC preference Tim Chen
2026-02-20 11:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 14:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 17:25       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 09/21] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2026-02-20 12:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 13:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-21  2:53       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 10/21] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 11/21] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-17 18:33   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-17 21:45     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 12/21] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 13/21] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2026-02-17 19:00   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-17 22:04     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 13:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 18:22     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 14/21] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2026-02-18  9:14   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-18 15:34     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 15/21] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2026-02-18 17:54   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-18 21:44     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19  2:28       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 14:38         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 21:12         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 16:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  7:02       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 16:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  6:40       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-20  9:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  9:42           ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 16:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 21:06     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 16/21] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 17/21] sched/cache: Enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 18/21] sched/cache: Allow the user space to turn on and off cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 19/21] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the aggressiveness of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-20 14:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 18:18     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:19 ` [PATCH v3 20/21] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:19 ` [PATCH v3 21/21] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2026-02-19 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 00/21] Cache Aware Scheduling Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 18:11       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20  3:29         ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  9:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  2:49             ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20 18:14           ` Tim Chen
2026-02-24  3:02             ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  3:25       ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-21  2:48         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-24  3:11           ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 19:48     ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 21:47       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20  3:41         ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  8:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  3:31             ` Qais Yousef

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