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From: Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>
To: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jianyong Wu <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
	Yangyu Chen <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	Tingyin Duan <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
	Vern Hao <vernhao@tencent.com>, Vern Hao <haoxing990@gmail.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
	Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>, Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>,
	Gavin Guo <gavinguo@igalia.com>,
	Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>,
	Libo Chen <libchen@purestorage.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/21] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 15:35:40 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <796e4859-82da-422a-925f-7aac7cb86822@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54e60704-b0f3-44df-9b83-070806b5a00c@intel.com>

On 15/02/26 19:55, Chen, Yu C wrote:
> On 2/15/2026 1:53 AM, Madadi Vineeth Reddy wrote:
>> On 11/02/26 03:48, Tim Chen wrote:
>>> From: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
>>>
>>> Introduce an index mapping between CPUs and their LLCs. This provides
>>> a continuous per LLC index needed for cache-aware load balancing in
>>> later patches.
>>>
>>> The existing per_cpu llc_id usually points to the first CPU of the
>>> LLC domain, which is sparse and unsuitable as an array index. Using
>>> llc_id directly would waste memory.
>>>
>>> With the new mapping, CPUs in the same LLC share a continuous id:
>>>
>>>    per_cpu(llc_id, CPU=0...15)  = 0
>>>    per_cpu(llc_id, CPU=16...31) = 1
>>>    per_cpu(llc_id, CPU=32...47) = 2
>>>    ...
>>>
>>> Once a CPU has been assigned an llc_id, this ID persists even when
>>> the CPU is taken offline and brought back online, which can facilitate
>>> the management of the ID.
>>
>> tl_max_llcs is never reset across multiple invocations of build_sched_domains().
>> While this preserves LLC IDs across normal CPU hotplug events, I'm wondering about
>> scenarios where hardware topology changes, such as physically removing/replacing
>> CPU sockets.
>>
>> Example scenario:
>> Boot with 3 LLCs: IDs {0,1,2}, tl_max_llcs=3
>> Physical hardware change removes LLC 1
>> New hardware added at a different position gets ID=3
>> After multiple such events: System has 4 LLCs but IDs {0,2,5,7}, tl_max_llcs=8
>>
> 
> I agree that keeping tl_max_llcs non-decreasing might waste some space. The
> original motivation for introducing a dynamic sd_llc_id was mainly that a
> static sd_llc_id[NR_LLC] is not suitable, as we cannot find a proper upper
> limit for NR_LLC-an arbitrary value for NR_LLC is unacceptable. That is to
> say, tl_max_llcs serves as the historical maximum LLC index that has ever
> been detected - like other terms such as CPU id. It is possible that the
> number of available LLCs shrinks due to CPU offline after boot-up. A value
> of tl_max_llcs=8 indicates that this system once had 8 valid LLCs. On the
> other hand, dense mapping is a side effect of dynamically allocating sd_llc_id.
> 
>> This creates gaps in the ID space. However, I understand this trade-off might be
>> intentional since physical topology changes are rare, and resetting tl_max_llcs and
>> all sd_llc_id values would rebuild IDs on every invocation of build_sched_domains().
>>
>> Would like to know your thoughts on overhead of resetting tl_max_llcs and sd_llc_id
>> so that IDs are rebuilt on each invocation of build_sched_domains() to always maintain
>> a dense mapping.
>>
> 
> The current implementation is intentionally kept simple for easier review, and
> I agree that strictly enforcing a dense mapping for sd_llc_id - by recalculating
> the actual maximum LLC count (max_llcs) whenever the CPU topology changes - could
> be an optimization direction once the basic version has been accepted. I assume what
> you are suggesting is that we could reset tl_max_llcs/max_llcs/sd_llc_id for CPUs
> in doms_new[i] within partition_sched_domains_locked() - and then rebuild these
> values in build_sched_domains() accordingly. One risk here is a race condition when
> modifying the llc_id of a specific CPU - but off the top of my head, valid_llc_buf()
> should help prevent out-of-range access to sd->pf caused by such races.
> Thoughts?

Yes, resetting and rebuilding would maintain dense mapping. Given the added complexity 
of race conditions vs. minimal benefit (gaps only occur with physical topology changes),
I think the current approach is better. We can revisit it once this version goes through.

Thanks,
Vineeth

> 
> thanks,
> Chenyu
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 10:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-10 22:18 [PATCH v3 00/21] Cache Aware Scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/21] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-14 12:26   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-14 15:34     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17 18:51       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/21] sched/cache: Record per LLC utilization to guide cache aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 03/21] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-02-14 16:12   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-15 12:14     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 11:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 14:48     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 14:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 04/21] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2026-02-14 17:53   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-15 14:25     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17 10:05       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy [this message]
2026-02-17 21:20         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-16  7:44   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-17  6:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17  8:09       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-17 23:12         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18  3:28           ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-18 15:22             ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-18 17:46               ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-18 23:21                 ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19  6:12                   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-19 15:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  0:11                     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 11:25                   ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 16:10                     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-18 18:45               ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18 21:33             ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18 15:11         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 15:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 15:22           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 15:53       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 16:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 16:10           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 19:24             ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 19:30               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 19:35                 ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 11:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 18:17     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 14:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:20     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 19:20       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 21:04         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 17:17           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 05/21] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2026-02-14 18:36   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-16  6:58     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 06/21] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 07/21] sched/cache: Introduce per CPU's tasks LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2026-02-20 10:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 16:57     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 18:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 08/21] sched/cache: Calculate the percpu sd task LLC preference Tim Chen
2026-02-20 11:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 14:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 17:25       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 09/21] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2026-02-20 12:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 13:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-21  2:53       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 10/21] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 11/21] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-17 18:33   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-17 21:45     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 12/21] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 13/21] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2026-02-17 19:00   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-17 22:04     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 13:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 18:22     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 14/21] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2026-02-18  9:14   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-18 15:34     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 15/21] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2026-02-18 17:54   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-18 21:44     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19  2:28       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 14:38         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 21:12         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 16:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  7:02       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 16:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  6:40       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-20  9:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  9:42           ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 16:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 21:06     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 16/21] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 17/21] sched/cache: Enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 18/21] sched/cache: Allow the user space to turn on and off cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 19/21] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the aggressiveness of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-20 14:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 18:18     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:19 ` [PATCH v3 20/21] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:19 ` [PATCH v3 21/21] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2026-02-19 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 00/21] Cache Aware Scheduling Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 18:11       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20  3:29         ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  9:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  2:49             ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20 18:14           ` Tim Chen
2026-02-24  3:02             ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  3:25       ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-21  2:48         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-24  3:11           ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 19:48     ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 21:47       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20  3:41         ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  8:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  3:31             ` Qais Yousef

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