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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Vincent Guittot	 <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall	 <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider	 <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>,
	Shrikanth Hegde	 <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jianyong Wu <jianyong.wu@outlook.com>,
	Yangyu Chen	 <cyy@cyyself.name>,
	Tingyin Duan <tingyin.duan@gmail.com>,
	Vern Hao	 <vernhao@tencent.com>, Vern Hao <haoxing990@gmail.com>,
	Len Brown	 <len.brown@intel.com>, Aubrey Li <aubrey.li@intel.com>,
	Zhao Liu	 <zhao1.liu@intel.com>, Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>,
	Adam Li	 <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	Aaron Lu <ziqianlu@bytedance.com>,
	Tim Chen	 <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, Josh Don <joshdon@google.com>,
	Gavin Guo	 <gavinguo@igalia.com>,
	Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>,
	Libo Chen	 <libchen@purestorage.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/21] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2026 10:51:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cfa4814c912b2b7892d891bb7d3d1c53d6ad4b42.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f158bb33-93d1-42a7-9b0d-27712495e32b@intel.com>

On Sat, 2026-02-14 at 23:34 +0800, Chen, Yu C wrote:
> Hi Vineeth,
> 
> On 2/14/2026 8:26 PM, Madadi Vineeth Reddy wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> > Thanks for the patch series.
> > 
> > On 11/02/26 03:48, Tim Chen wrote:
> > > From: "Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>
> > > 
> > > Adds infrastructure to enable cache-aware load balancing,
> > > which improves cache locality by grouping tasks that share resources
> > > within the same cache domain. This reduces cache misses and improves
> > > overall data access efficiency.
> > 
> > [..snip..]
> > 
> > > +void mm_init_sched(struct mm_struct *mm,
> > > +		   struct sched_cache_time __percpu *_pcpu_sched)
> > > +{
> > > +	unsigned long epoch;
> > > +	int i;
> > > +
> > > +	for_each_possible_cpu(i) {
> > > +		struct sched_cache_time *pcpu_sched = per_cpu_ptr(_pcpu_sched, i);
> > > +		struct rq *rq = cpu_rq(i);
> > > +
> > > +		pcpu_sched->runtime = 0;
> > > +		pcpu_sched->epoch = rq->cpu_epoch;
> > > +		epoch = rq->cpu_epoch;
> > 
> > Shouldn't cpu_epoch be read under cpu_epoch_lock, similar to how fraction_mm_sched()
> > and __update_mm_sched() acquire the lock before accessing this field?
> 
> My understanding is that __update_mm_sched() updates rq->cpu_epoch in 
> two steps:
> first, it reads the current value, and then it writes the new value back 
> to it
> (as seen in the operation rq->cpu_epoch += n). For this reason, a lock 
> is required
> to prevent race conditions during concurrent updates across multiple CPUs.
> 
> In contrast, reading rq->cpu_epoch in mm_init_sched() is a single atomic 
> operation,
> and it is acceptable to read a stale value in this scenario - thus, we 
> can safely
> perform an unprotected read of this field here.
> 

There is no particular advantage to prevent cpu_epoch update during mm
initialization by holding the cpu_epoch lock.  The difference with using
a slightly stale cpu epoch will be one epoch in __update_mm_sched()
which will be quickly aged out in the subsequent updates. 

However holding the lock could affect scalability and slow down workload that forks
short lived processes frequently and hence the choice.

Tim

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-17 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-10 22:18 [PATCH v3 00/21] Cache Aware Scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/21] sched/cache: Introduce infrastructure for cache-aware load balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-14 12:26   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-14 15:34     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17 18:51       ` Tim Chen [this message]
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/21] sched/cache: Record per LLC utilization to guide cache aware scheduling decisions Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 03/21] sched/cache: Introduce helper functions to enforce LLC migration policy Tim Chen
2026-02-14 16:12   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-15 12:14     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 11:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 14:48     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 14:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 04/21] sched/cache: Make LLC id continuous Tim Chen
2026-02-14 17:53   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-15 14:25     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17 10:05       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-17 21:20         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-16  7:44   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-17  6:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-17  8:09       ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-17 23:12         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18  3:28           ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-18 15:22             ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-18 17:46               ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-18 23:21                 ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19  6:12                   ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-19 15:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  0:11                     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 11:25                   ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 16:10                     ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-02-18 18:45               ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18 21:33             ` Tim Chen
2026-02-18 15:11         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 15:48         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 15:22           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 15:53       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 16:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 16:10           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 19:24             ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 19:30               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 19:35                 ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 11:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 18:17     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 14:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:20     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 19:20       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 21:04         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 17:17           ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 05/21] sched/cache: Assign preferred LLC ID to processes Tim Chen
2026-02-14 18:36   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-16  6:58     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 06/21] sched/cache: Track LLC-preferred tasks per runqueue Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 07/21] sched/cache: Introduce per CPU's tasks LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2026-02-20 10:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 16:57     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-20 18:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 08/21] sched/cache: Calculate the percpu sd task LLC preference Tim Chen
2026-02-20 11:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 14:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 17:25       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 09/21] sched/cache: Count tasks prefering destination LLC in a sched group Tim Chen
2026-02-20 12:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 13:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-21  2:53       ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 10/21] sched/cache: Check local_group only once in update_sg_lb_stats() Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 11/21] sched/cache: Prioritize tasks preferring destination LLC during balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-17 18:33   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-17 21:45     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 12/21] sched/cache: Add migrate_llc_task migration type for cache-aware balancing Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 13/21] sched/cache: Handle moving single tasks to/from their preferred LLC Tim Chen
2026-02-17 19:00   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-17 22:04     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20 13:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 18:22     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 14/21] sched/cache: Respect LLC preference in task migration and detach Tim Chen
2026-02-18  9:14   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-18 15:34     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 15/21] sched/cache: Disable cache aware scheduling for processes with high thread counts Tim Chen
2026-02-18 17:54   ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-18 21:44     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19  2:28       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 14:38         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 21:12         ` Tim Chen
2026-02-19 16:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  7:02       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 16:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20  6:40       ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-20  9:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  9:42           ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2026-02-19 16:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 21:06     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 16/21] sched/cache: Avoid cache-aware scheduling for memory-heavy processes Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 17/21] sched/cache: Enable cache aware scheduling for multi LLCs NUMA node Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 18/21] sched/cache: Allow the user space to turn on and off cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:18 ` [PATCH v3 19/21] sched/cache: Add user control to adjust the aggressiveness of cache-aware scheduling Tim Chen
2026-02-20 14:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-20 18:18     ` Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:19 ` [PATCH v3 20/21] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Display the per LLC occupancy for each process via proc fs Tim Chen
2026-02-10 22:19 ` [PATCH v3 21/21] -- DO NOT APPLY!!! -- sched/cache/debug: Add ftrace to track the load balance statistics Tim Chen
2026-02-19 14:08 ` [PATCH v3 00/21] Cache Aware Scheduling Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 14:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:07     ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-19 18:11       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20  3:29         ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  9:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  2:49             ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20 18:14           ` Tim Chen
2026-02-24  3:02             ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  3:25       ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-21  2:48         ` Chen, Yu C
2026-02-24  3:11           ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 19:48     ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-19 21:47       ` Tim Chen
2026-02-20  3:41         ` Qais Yousef
2026-02-20  8:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-24  3:31             ` Qais Yousef

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